Hello everyone,
We are currently planning the construction of a single-family house, without a basement, approximately 180sqm (1937 sq ft) of living space, 1.5 stories, with an exterior wall area of about 270 sqm (2906 sq ft).
The architect has designed the exterior walls using 36cm (14 inches) Poroton blocks with a plaster facade (white). Now we would prefer a clinker brick appearance and are facing the following decision:
Option 1: Handmade clinker bricks; additional cost of 100€ per sqm; however, this would mean not using Poroton 36 blocks anymore but instead using Euromac2 wall elements. The calculation was based on Wienerberger clinker bricks at a price of 40€ per sqm. The different wall construction is stated to be cost-neutral.
Option 2: We keep the wall construction with 36cm (14 inches) Poroton blocks and apply a clinker brick slip (thin brick veneer) to the facade.
For this, the architect has 1. not yet provided a price estimate and 2. advised against it for quality reasons.
I am interested in the following points:
1. Is the price parity between the Poroton 36 and Euromac2 wall constructions realistic?
2. Approximately what additional cost compared to plaster (or conversely what cost saving compared to the stated handmade clinker brick option) should I expect?
3. Pros and cons of both options.
Thanks in advance.
We are currently planning the construction of a single-family house, without a basement, approximately 180sqm (1937 sq ft) of living space, 1.5 stories, with an exterior wall area of about 270 sqm (2906 sq ft).
The architect has designed the exterior walls using 36cm (14 inches) Poroton blocks with a plaster facade (white). Now we would prefer a clinker brick appearance and are facing the following decision:
Option 1: Handmade clinker bricks; additional cost of 100€ per sqm; however, this would mean not using Poroton 36 blocks anymore but instead using Euromac2 wall elements. The calculation was based on Wienerberger clinker bricks at a price of 40€ per sqm. The different wall construction is stated to be cost-neutral.
Option 2: We keep the wall construction with 36cm (14 inches) Poroton blocks and apply a clinker brick slip (thin brick veneer) to the facade.
For this, the architect has 1. not yet provided a price estimate and 2. advised against it for quality reasons.
I am interested in the following points:
1. Is the price parity between the Poroton 36 and Euromac2 wall constructions realistic?
2. Approximately what additional cost compared to plaster (or conversely what cost saving compared to the stated handmade clinker brick option) should I expect?
3. Pros and cons of both options.
Thanks in advance.
Kekse schrieb:
But be careful: You seem to be approaching the area of "forcing the general contractor to do something they can’t or won’t do otherwise." That’s usually not advisable and only causes problems.No, this is an architect-led general contractor who subcontractors those trades anyway. They handle the shell construction themselves.
Our general contractor told us that if we had fully clad our entire house (townhouse with a 9.5m (31 feet) side length) in brick instead of just plastering it, it would have cost only an additional 5,000 euros.
We then chose a half brick-clad, half plastered finish, which increased the price by just under 2,500 euros compared to plaster only.
The wall consists of 17.5cm (7 inches) thick bricks, 140mm (5.5 inches) of insulation, and brick cladding.
We then chose a half brick-clad, half plastered finish, which increased the price by just under 2,500 euros compared to plaster only.
The wall consists of 17.5cm (7 inches) thick bricks, 140mm (5.5 inches) of insulation, and brick cladding.
Waeller schrieb:
In this case, Poroton36 would no longer be used for construction, but instead Euromac2 wall elements would be employed. I see this as a system change, which means significantly more than just a modified wall structure. Is the same installer expected to handle this equally well?
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Facing bricks are just a sort of last resort. Facing bricks are a suitable and appropriate solution both for renovations and for new construction projects that were originally designed as monolithic. Installing "full" bricks in front of an already complete wall structure strikes me as just as illogical as changing a wall structure decision solely because of a change in surface appearance preferences. That is exactly what facing bricks are intended for.
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Waeller schrieb:
Would the wall structure have been the same with plaster?
How many square meters of wall area do you have?
And what was your material price for the bricks per square meter?For the plastered part (upper floor), we are also using a 17.5 cm (7 inch) aerated concrete block with a 16 cm (6.3 inch) external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS).
For the entire house with plaster, it would probably have been the same structure.
According to the building specifications, the bricks cost €650 per 1,000 pieces, free delivery.
However, our quote is based on Röben Brighton bricks, which are slightly more expensive.
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