Hello!
I had the landscaping contractor on site, and he told me to make sure that the general contractor leaves the construction site clean. He even said that if cigarette butts are left on the property afterwards, he would charge for waste disposal by subcontractors. Is that normal?
The general contractor, of course, says that he is not responsible for picking up his workers’ cigarette butts and considers small Poroton crumbs as acceptable residue left on the site. Now I’m not sure where exactly the line is—what does the general contractor have to do and what not? It’s actually quite simple: if I know what he is required to do, I can formally ask him to fully clean the property upon completing his work and report back to me. Then I can photograph any remaining debris, set a deadline for cleanup, and refer to deductions from the final payment if necessary.
Another point of discussion will definitely be all the “small” plaster residues in the bushes, etc.
How was it on your construction sites? The contract says nothing about this... sometimes you read about the interior being handed over “broom clean” — but I cannot find any similar term for final site condition outdoors and don’t know what is generally expected there.
I had the landscaping contractor on site, and he told me to make sure that the general contractor leaves the construction site clean. He even said that if cigarette butts are left on the property afterwards, he would charge for waste disposal by subcontractors. Is that normal?
The general contractor, of course, says that he is not responsible for picking up his workers’ cigarette butts and considers small Poroton crumbs as acceptable residue left on the site. Now I’m not sure where exactly the line is—what does the general contractor have to do and what not? It’s actually quite simple: if I know what he is required to do, I can formally ask him to fully clean the property upon completing his work and report back to me. Then I can photograph any remaining debris, set a deadline for cleanup, and refer to deductions from the final payment if necessary.
Another point of discussion will definitely be all the “small” plaster residues in the bushes, etc.
How was it on your construction sites? The contract says nothing about this... sometimes you read about the interior being handed over “broom clean” — but I cannot find any similar term for final site condition outdoors and don’t know what is generally expected there.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Well, it should be possible to solve; I was just interested in the opinions of other users.You might have a “sloppy” general contractor (or their subcontractors), and you might also have an elitist landscape gardener... both probably don’t go well together.
I think discussing this is a bit over the top... the tradespeople themselves should be upset with the bureaucrats who are completely hopeless...
montessalet schrieb:
It’s still antisocial to dump your own (special) waste there. Period.
There are other ways.I’m not aware that cigarette butts qualify as special waste; that seems highly exaggerated.
Maybe something for the construction and specialized lawyer?
montessalet schrieb:
Normal people understand this. Antisocial people don’t.Phew...
montessalet8 Oct 2018 12:28haydee schrieb:
It depends on the relationship.
If you treat the craftsmen as equals, talk with them, show interest in their work, and occasionally share a cup of coffee, then you can also say, “I don’t like this. Please change it.” That works.
If you’re the client who only complains, you won’t achieve anything. Everyone shuts down as soon as you step onto the construction site.Exactly, that’s how it is and always has been!
montessalet8 Oct 2018 12:32ypg schrieb:
I don’t think cigarette butts count as hazardous waste; that’s an exaggeration.Yes, they do: You have the internet, right? You can look up how cigarette butts affect our water—just saying. It’s similar to plastic waste: "Oh, it’s not such a big deal." Then just look at our oceans. You’ll realize what damage cigarette butts can cause, especially once you can no longer drink the water.montessalet schrieb:
No, it's not: You have the internet, right? You can look up what cigarette butts do to our water—just saying.
It's similar to plastic waste: "Oh, it’s not that bad." Then take a look at our oceans. You'll realize what cigarette butts cause, at the latest when you can no longer drink the water.And millions of people die every year from diesel exhaust...
Sometimes you have to keep things in perspective.
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Benutzer198 Oct 2018 15:48montessalet schrieb:
No, it’s not: You do have the internet, right? You can look up what cigarette butts do to our water – just saying.
It’s similar to plastic waste: “Oh, it’s not that bad.” Then just take a look at our oceans. Once you can’t drink the water anymore, you’ll realize the damage cigarette butts can cause. That’s correct! According to our waste disposal regulations, section 3.2.4.5 states that the disposal of cigarette butts and plastic waste must only be done through the purple hazardous waste bin. The purple hazardous waste bin is collected exclusively by carefully certified and highly qualified professional companies (DIN86430). Please use only suitable gloves when placing hazardous materials into the waste bin.