Hello forum community,
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking a question here as a tenant, because I expect a lot of expertise on the topic...
A few months ago, we moved into a rented apartment on the first floor of an old building (late 19th century, three-story brick building). The apartments were renovated 5 years ago, and the walls were plastered with clay plaster.
Now, the tenant in the apartment below us told us that recently, severe cracks have appeared in the ceiling plaster of her apartment. She also finds our children quite loud. That may be true, as they are quite lively and sometimes run around inside the apartment. However, we make sure they don’t constantly jump off chairs or similar. Additionally, all the apartments have laminate flooring (according to the landlord, with impact sound insulation), and we can clearly hear the tenants above us when they walk around, even though they tend to be quiet.
She spoke to the landlord about this, and after they inspected the damage, it seems that the entire plaster in her ceiling will need to be replaced. Of course, this is the landlord’s responsibility, but the time required is significant, especially for a single mother with two children, as she has to empty all the rooms.
The tenant below connects this to us moving into the apartment above, saying the cracks only appeared since we moved in. Apparently, the previous tenants were quieter. I really can’t imagine that two children weighing a maximum of 20 kg (44 lbs) running around could cause the plaster below to crumble? Based on my basic understanding of construction, there are always cavities in ceilings, so vibrations shouldn’t be transmitted so directly, right? Sure, if I had two overweight 15-year-olds regularly practicing martial arts indoors, I could imagine that, but with slender kindergarten children? What kind of building is it if it can’t handle that…?
The noise issue is separate, and I understand that. We are considering putting carpets in the main rooms.
Is it conceivable that running children could have such an impact? Or how else could cracks in the clay plaster below appear within just a few months? By the way, we also have cracks, but they seem normal and don’t look like the plaster is about to come down.
Thanks in advance if anyone took the time to read this!
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking a question here as a tenant, because I expect a lot of expertise on the topic...
A few months ago, we moved into a rented apartment on the first floor of an old building (late 19th century, three-story brick building). The apartments were renovated 5 years ago, and the walls were plastered with clay plaster.
Now, the tenant in the apartment below us told us that recently, severe cracks have appeared in the ceiling plaster of her apartment. She also finds our children quite loud. That may be true, as they are quite lively and sometimes run around inside the apartment. However, we make sure they don’t constantly jump off chairs or similar. Additionally, all the apartments have laminate flooring (according to the landlord, with impact sound insulation), and we can clearly hear the tenants above us when they walk around, even though they tend to be quiet.
She spoke to the landlord about this, and after they inspected the damage, it seems that the entire plaster in her ceiling will need to be replaced. Of course, this is the landlord’s responsibility, but the time required is significant, especially for a single mother with two children, as she has to empty all the rooms.
The tenant below connects this to us moving into the apartment above, saying the cracks only appeared since we moved in. Apparently, the previous tenants were quieter. I really can’t imagine that two children weighing a maximum of 20 kg (44 lbs) running around could cause the plaster below to crumble? Based on my basic understanding of construction, there are always cavities in ceilings, so vibrations shouldn’t be transmitted so directly, right? Sure, if I had two overweight 15-year-olds regularly practicing martial arts indoors, I could imagine that, but with slender kindergarten children? What kind of building is it if it can’t handle that…?
The noise issue is separate, and I understand that. We are considering putting carpets in the main rooms.
Is it conceivable that running children could have such an impact? Or how else could cracks in the clay plaster below appear within just a few months? By the way, we also have cracks, but they seem normal and don’t look like the plaster is about to come down.
Thanks in advance if anyone took the time to read this!
toxicmolotow schrieb:
...it’s quite a poor portrayal of children. No child in the world is inherently bad or brings disaster upon the world. Not even 100 or 1,000,000 children. How do you know that? Do you actually know a million children? I would already have real problems with just 10...
I don’t think you understood me. Let me explain it differently. Imagine you have a cute little mouse toy at home for the kids to play with. Everything is fine. Two mice are still adorable. Even 10 could be a fun group. But at 100, it’s getting unpleasant, right? Now you’re wishing for a cat. 100,000 mice – oh my god! And these little mice aren’t bad by nature and don’t want to bring destruction to the world. But when you have a million mice in your house… then they’re simply a plague because they ruin everything. It doesn’t matter if they’re big, fat, young, or old. The mice shouldn’t reproduce anymore, right? And if they stomp so hard that the ceiling collapses, that doesn’t make them any more likable, but it actually doesn’t matter, does it?
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toxicmolotof9 May 2017 19:55I don’t think we need to discuss this any further based on what you said. There are neither 1,000,000 mice living in my house nor 1,000,000 children. From a global perspective, it might look different.
But it seems we are talking on two completely different levels. I am focused on character development, while you… might be looking at bacteria.
I maintain that children are neither a plague nor do they become one by themselves. And you can give 100 examples if you want.
And you will understand me once you’ve dealt with the topic, in whatever way that may be.
But it seems we are talking on two completely different levels. I am focused on character development, while you… might be looking at bacteria.
I maintain that children are neither a plague nor do they become one by themselves. And you can give 100 examples if you want.
And you will understand me once you’ve dealt with the topic, in whatever way that may be.
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Steffen809 May 2017 21:14toxicmolotow schrieb:
I don’t think we need to discuss this based on that. There aren’t a million mice living in my house, nor a million children. Looking at the world as a whole, it might be different.
But apparently, we are talking on two completely different levels. I’m focusing on character development, and you… maybe on bacteria.
I still maintain that children are neither a plague nor will they become one on their own. And you can bring a hundred examples if you want.
And you will understand me once you have engaged with the topic. In whatever way.I don’t think he means “children are a plague”… Children are probably the only real purpose of life. Everything can be ultimately traced back to “for the children.”
What he probably means is: All of humanity’s problems can, in the long run, be traced back to a central issue — overpopulation. It doesn’t take science to realize that our resources are finite. Many billions of people will likely continue to die from disease, malnutrition, and war over time. That is the tragedy. The Earth itself will eventually recover from this—I’m not worried about that. We are not even a “blink of an eye” in the history of our beautiful planet.
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HilfeHilfe10 May 2017 07:23kaho674 schrieb:
How do you know that? Do you know a million kids? I would already have real problems with just 10…
I think you didn’t understand me. Let me explain it differently. Imagine you had a cute little mouse toy at home for the kids to play with. Everything’s great. Even two are still adorable. Ten could be a fun group. But once it’s 100, it gets unpleasant, right? Now you might want a cat. 100,000 mice—oh my God! And the little mice aren’t naturally bad and don’t want to cause trouble. But if a million mice are in your house… then they’re simply a plague because they destroy everything. Whether they are big, fat, young, or old doesn’t matter. The mice must no longer multiply, right? And if they start stomping so hard that the ceiling collapses, that doesn’t make them any more likeable, but it actually doesn’t matter, does it?Do you even have children? Probably not, otherwise you wouldn’t have time to post here.
Only women who are childless—either unable to have kids or without a suitable partner—would associate children with a plague.
If you do have kids and your view comes from them being disobedient, I can reassure you: they are just expressing what they have learned from you.
HilfeHilfe schrieb:
Do you even have children? Well, that question had to come. Okay, I have 5 children, or no, wait, I only have one. Just kidding, I don’t have any at all or maybe just two? It really doesn’t matter for the point I’m making, and whatever I say, it will be interpreted against me, right?
HilfeHilfe schrieb:
Probably not, otherwise you wouldn’t have time to post here. So does that mean everyone who writes here has no children?
HilfeHilfe schrieb:
If you do have children and your worldview formed because they are disobedient, I can reassure you. They’re just acting out what they’ve learned from you. Yes, as I said, no matter what, it’s my fault.
I want to say something fundamental about this. It’s not the children who are the problem, but people in general. And when they multiply like mice, even though the world is already severely overpopulated, that’s a catastrophe in itself. And when they then destroy the land and “pollute” it with dirt, noise, etc., it doesn’t get any better.
Even if your “mice” are as cute as can be—I love them too—but there are just too many. Period. If there weren’t so many, we wouldn’t need neighborhood regulations at all. But since that’s the case, I find mutual consideration extremely important. And children can learn that too. It works in other countries as well.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
I don’t think we need to discuss this on that basis. Neither 1,000,000 mice nor 1,000,000 children live in my house. On a global scale, it may look different, though. Sweetheart, you’re probably too emotional about this—you somehow miss the point. I’ll better skip a comment.
Steffen80 schrieb:
The Earth itself will eventually recover from this... I’m not worried about that. We humans are not even a “blink of an eye” in the history of our beautiful planet Yes, of course. Eventually, someone will discover a virus that wipes us all out.
But that’s not really the issue, is it? The real question is, will life still be worth living if resources become so scarce that many go hungry? If we annoy each other so much that we end up killing one another? If rivers are polluted, trees are missing, the air is toxic, the weather overwhelms us with hurricanes and floods, and so on and so forth.