ᐅ Smart Home Control Systems: Providers and User Experiences?
Created on: 16 Jun 2015 15:07
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tekci.mustafa
Hello dear members, I have been thinking about getting this smart home system for a while. I would like to know if any of you have something similar. What devices do you have connected, what do you control, what are your experiences, and which provider do you use? I’m not sure if it’s really necessary, but I’m a person who enjoys these kinds of gadgets. Money is not an issue for now.
Mycraft schrieb:
The idea that push buttons are expensive and that a visualization system is costly is just a myth Then please give me an example of a really affordable 2-gang push button comparable to conventional switches, and a visualization system with a web interface and smartphone apps. I understand that these are not always necessary, but they are a requirement for me.
Mycraft schrieb:
Even the ETS software itself is no problem for anyone familiar with Windows; the software is very user-friendly and basically designed for beginners Well, user-friendly is relative, and it’s definitely not quick. Simply the time it takes to program components makes quick testing a real pain. Yes, yes, technically you’re not supposed to “play around” with it. I am, among other things, a software developer and tech enthusiast, so I like to experiment.
A change in LoxoneConfig takes 10 seconds to update the system, and I can even simulate it directly in the software.
Mycraft schrieb:
Any push button model you want with a 2-gang push button interface for KNX will cost you about 40 euros for both parts, and you can control up to 4 functions with it. The cheapest I found is from MDT for 60 euros. But that’s still four times the price of a standard 2-gang push button. Yes, it has only half the number of buttons, but in most cases you don’t need that many buttons; you usually need push buttons in several locations instead.
For me, it takes at least 20 to 30 seconds per device, at minimum.
As I said, I don’t know which version you are using or how the rest of your setup is… a few changes can be made very quickly in the device.
Then you didn’t search well…
MDT BE-02001.01 push-button interface, flush-mounted 2-gang
Cost is 33 euros…
Not with KNX… one location is enough to control many things… that is also the purpose of a bus installation… not to have as many switching points as possible but rather a well-thought-out solution with few push-buttons…
If you just install push-buttons everywhere, you might as well stick to conventional wiring…
Then you didn’t search well…
MDT BE-02001.01 push-button interface, flush-mounted 2-gang
Cost is 33 euros…
Uwe82 schrieb:
but in most cases you don’t need so many, you actually need push-buttons in several places.
Not with KNX… one location is enough to control many things… that is also the purpose of a bus installation… not to have as many switching points as possible but rather a well-thought-out solution with few push-buttons…
If you just install push-buttons everywhere, you might as well stick to conventional wiring…
Mycraft schrieb:
MDT BE-02001.01 push-button interface, flush-mounted 2-gang Ok, thanks, it will be added to my list. I’m still considering where exactly to use KNX for the push-buttons. The living area and hallway are definite, since most functions are needed there. But for the bedrooms, for example, just standard push-buttons because the functions aren’t really necessary there.
Mycraft schrieb:
Not with KNX... one location is enough to control many things... that’s actually the point of a bus installation... not to create as many switching points as possible, but to have a well-thought-out solution with few push-buttons...
If you just add push-buttons everywhere, you might as well stick with conventional wiring... I don’t see it that way at all. The technology behind it doesn’t really matter; it only affects the space used or the number of push-points in one location. But for example, when I enter the hallway from five different rooms, I need a light switch within reach. Unfortunately, you can’t just connect your finger directly to the KNX bus yet. Unless you use motion sensors, but those are expensive and setting them up properly takes time, especially without experience.
By the way, the version I used was the current ETS5 (still the demo version; I’ll order the Lite version soon). The only difference might be the IP gateway, which I actually operated through Loxone.
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Sebastian7917 Dec 2015 22:20You are the typical example of someone who hasn’t really understood KNX.
I also had a neighbor who absolutely had to have KNX in his condominium – a switch at every corner (of course, all from GIRA with glass). Not a single sensor, no logic – nothing. They charged him an extra 10,000 euros for it... I still chuckle today when I think about that guy.
I also had a neighbor who absolutely had to have KNX in his condominium – a switch at every corner (of course, all from GIRA with glass). Not a single sensor, no logic – nothing. They charged him an extra 10,000 euros for it... I still chuckle today when I think about that guy.
It’s not always necessary to transfer the entire application… partial transfer is sufficient once it has been loaded.
In our hallways, guest bathroom, and utility room, we don’t have any switches and have never missed them… and whether I install 2, 3, or 4 switches to cover everything (entrance/exit/stairs) or use a presence detector, which might ultimately be more cost-effective…
You simply shouldn’t think inside the “traditional” boxes… what seems functional and correct in conventional electrical systems is often outdated and restrictive in bus systems.
Simply replicating standard electrical wiring is nonsense; in that case, you might as well stick with it and not spend money on something you don’t really need.
If you think outside the box and plan carefully, you can reduce the number of control points here and there… so a functioning installation won’t cost a fortune but often only slightly more than a conventional system… and beyond a certain number of devices, KNX even becomes cheaper than conventional wiring… there are case studies available online to illustrate this.
In our hallways, guest bathroom, and utility room, we don’t have any switches and have never missed them… and whether I install 2, 3, or 4 switches to cover everything (entrance/exit/stairs) or use a presence detector, which might ultimately be more cost-effective…
You simply shouldn’t think inside the “traditional” boxes… what seems functional and correct in conventional electrical systems is often outdated and restrictive in bus systems.
Simply replicating standard electrical wiring is nonsense; in that case, you might as well stick with it and not spend money on something you don’t really need.
If you think outside the box and plan carefully, you can reduce the number of control points here and there… so a functioning installation won’t cost a fortune but often only slightly more than a conventional system… and beyond a certain number of devices, KNX even becomes cheaper than conventional wiring… there are case studies available online to illustrate this.