ᐅ Which ventilation system is suitable for a new build (dog boarding facility)?
Created on: 27 Nov 2010 18:02
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inselbewohner
Hello everyone!
My partner and I are planning to open a new dog boarding facility and are currently in the design phase for our new building. At the moment, we are operating our business in an older building.
We are planning a (Swedish-style) house with approximately 160 - 180m² (1,722 - 1,938 sq ft) of living space. At least KfW 70 standard. The construction companies we are considering right now are: Talis Haus, Merlin Haus (Fjorborg), Vierck Wooden Houses, Berg Swedish Houses, and a local carpenter who also offers complete construction services.
For heating, we are currently considering a ground source heat pump with ground collectors. However, I still have a few appointments with specialists coming up.
Now to my question:
We usually have between 10 and 25 dogs in care. Especially during the wet season, this leads to quite high indoor humidity. I think a ventilation system makes sense here, also to reduce the somewhat unpleasant smell of wet dogs...
From what I have read, a ventilation system with heat recovery doesn’t make much economic sense.
Does anyone have tips for us, or are there manufacturers that are particularly recommended? At the first two heating specialists I consulted, I unfortunately had the impression they just wanted to sell me whatever would bring them the most profit...
Best regards and thanks,
Florian
My partner and I are planning to open a new dog boarding facility and are currently in the design phase for our new building. At the moment, we are operating our business in an older building.
We are planning a (Swedish-style) house with approximately 160 - 180m² (1,722 - 1,938 sq ft) of living space. At least KfW 70 standard. The construction companies we are considering right now are: Talis Haus, Merlin Haus (Fjorborg), Vierck Wooden Houses, Berg Swedish Houses, and a local carpenter who also offers complete construction services.
For heating, we are currently considering a ground source heat pump with ground collectors. However, I still have a few appointments with specialists coming up.
Now to my question:
We usually have between 10 and 25 dogs in care. Especially during the wet season, this leads to quite high indoor humidity. I think a ventilation system makes sense here, also to reduce the somewhat unpleasant smell of wet dogs...
From what I have read, a ventilation system with heat recovery doesn’t make much economic sense.
Does anyone have tips for us, or are there manufacturers that are particularly recommended? At the first two heating specialists I consulted, I unfortunately had the impression they just wanted to sell me whatever would bring them the most profit...
Best regards and thanks,
Florian
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Bauexperte17 Dec 2010 15:28Hello €uro,
I was already wondering why you were taking so long
Surely you are able to provide the interested user with a verifiable cost-benefit calculation based on the example of a "normal/typical," solidly built single-family house of 130 sqm (1400 sq ft) without a basement...
Kind regards
€uro schrieb:
Such general statements are the cause of many, sometimes irreversible, wrong decisions.
I was already wondering why you were taking so long
Surely you are able to provide the interested user with a verifiable cost-benefit calculation based on the example of a "normal/typical," solidly built single-family house of 130 sqm (1400 sq ft) without a basement...
Kind regards
Hello,
No worries, I’m already here!
This user seems less interested to me. Besides, I do not simply state economic calculations; I perform them on request.
Anyone wanting to save money on this can rely on assumptions, guesses, and estimates for their investment. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a “typical” single-family house, as every construction project is individual and specific. The stone probably doesn’t care whether it is built on the Zugspitze or in the Lower Rhine region, but with building services (HVAC, plumbing, electrical), it is a completely different matter.
What makes sense in case A can lead to a money pit in case B.
Best regards.
Bauexperte schrieb:
...I was already wondering where you had been so long
No worries, I’m already here!
Bauexperte schrieb:
...Surely you are able to provide the interested user with a verifiable cost-benefit analysis using the example of a “typical” solidly built single-family house of 130 sqm (1400 sq ft) without a basement...
This user seems less interested to me. Besides, I do not simply state economic calculations; I perform them on request.
Anyone wanting to save money on this can rely on assumptions, guesses, and estimates for their investment. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a “typical” single-family house, as every construction project is individual and specific. The stone probably doesn’t care whether it is built on the Zugspitze or in the Lower Rhine region, but with building services (HVAC, plumbing, electrical), it is a completely different matter.
What makes sense in case A can lead to a money pit in case B.
Best regards.
B
Bauexperte18 Dec 2010 12:58Hello €uro,
I did not expect you to invest *hours of work*—at least a more well-founded answer based on your experience, especially since you seem interested in revenue.
Your experience—unless you are young, inexperienced, or both—should show that heat recovery ventilation, considering the construction costs, only really pays off starting at passive house standards; it is inherent to the system. Therefore, for an average homebuilder, it is neither economically viable nor advisable compared to a simple ventilation system, which offers many advantages. In my opinion, it is almost essential to address the topic of ventilation systems, particularly with a view to 2012. Although I already view the effects of the current energy saving ordinance in many areas as critical, just my two cents.
Kind regards
€uro schrieb:
...In addition, I do not provide economic feasibility calculations as a name, but carry them out on request.
Those who want to save money on this can rely on assumptions, guesses, and estimates for their investment. Furthermore, there is no "standard" single-family house, as every construction project is individual and specific... What is useful for A may lead to financial disaster for B.
I did not expect you to invest *hours of work*—at least a more well-founded answer based on your experience, especially since you seem interested in revenue.
Your experience—unless you are young, inexperienced, or both—should show that heat recovery ventilation, considering the construction costs, only really pays off starting at passive house standards; it is inherent to the system. Therefore, for an average homebuilder, it is neither economically viable nor advisable compared to a simple ventilation system, which offers many advantages. In my opinion, it is almost essential to address the topic of ventilation systems, particularly with a view to 2012. Although I already view the effects of the current energy saving ordinance in many areas as critical, just my two cents.
Kind regards
I
inselbewohner18 Dec 2010 18:18€uro schrieb:
This user seems less inclined. Also, I don’t create profitability calculations myself; I carry them out on commission.
Those who want to save money for this can rely on assumptions, guesses, and estimates for their investment. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a “standard” single-family house, as every construction project is unique and specific. The stone doesn’t care whether it is built on the Zugspitze or the Lower Rhine region, but with building services, it’s completely different. What makes sense in one case can turn into a money pit in another. A shorter reply would have been: “No, I’m not able to do that.” But where’s the fun in that, right?
@BuildingExpert: Thanks for your first contribution.
To all others interested: Don’t be discouraged by €uro – luckily, this is just a rare negative example. For the exact same initial question, I have received the help, experience, and suggestions I was looking for elsewhere. So, don’t give up!
Best regards,
Florian, who now unfortunately leaves this forum disappointed but also amused...
Hello,
I agree with this!
Best regards.
Bauexperte schrieb:And this statement is not correct!
...- it would have to show that heat recovery – measured against construction costs – only really pays off where the passive house standard begins; it is inherent to the system. Therefore, it is neither profitable nor recommended for the average homeowner compared to a basic ventilation system, which offers many advantages.
Bauexperte schrieb:
...although I already consider the effects of the current energy saving regulations / building codes to be largely critical,...
I agree with this!
Best regards.
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