ᐅ Smart Home Planning – Is This Basic Approach Suitable?
Created on: 11 Mar 2021 11:10
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HansDampf1311
Since my last thread, I have spent some more time studying the subject, and as the house planning is progressing faster than expected, I have already started making more concrete considerations regarding the "smart home" topic. I would like to share my ideas and plans, but also ask some fundamental questions to clarify my understanding.
The system will be implemented using KNX. For functions that I don’t want or “need” right now, I at least want to plan empty conduits (ducts) for future wiring. The system’s long-term expansion should then take place through these empty conduits or, if they are not available, via a wireless solution.
First, a few questions and statements about the basics, just so I don’t plan based on incorrect assumptions. Please correct me where I am wrong:
I want to carry out the setup and expansion of the system in multiple phases. Although I am technically and manually skilled, my knowledge of programming, electrical work, and electronics is not sufficient (yet) to handle such a project on my own. Therefore, the electrician/system integrator will perform the electrical and KNX installation and setup. Initially, only the basic functions will be implemented—for example, lights on/off or shutters up/down using specific pushbuttons—so the house can first be operated “manually.” The second phase will start after completion and include creating a visualization with smartphone control, programming scenes and automatic sequences using a logic engine (I am thinking of something like Edomi), integrating a central control panel (Android panel or touch display with Raspberry Pi), and a home server (NUC or thin client), as well as connecting other components such as an IP door intercom or remote controls. The final phase will be further system expansion as needed, for example with a weather station, outdoor and indoor cameras, humidity sensors and ventilation control, or integrating wireless components (e.g., window contacts).
The house will be a bungalow without a basement but with an attic, about 140sqm (1507 sq ft) of living space and an attached garage with a technical and storage room. The distribution board will be located in the garage to avoid clicking actuators inside the living areas. I have thought about what I want for the basic installation in the individual rooms:
Living/Dining/Kitchen:
Entrance area/Guest WC/Hallway:
Office and Children’s Rooms:
Bedroom and Walk-in Closet:
Bathroom:
Utility Room:
Storage/Technical Room:
Garage:
Additionally, preparations for a weather station, heating and ventilation control, wall panel, etc.
What would be a rough estimate of the cost range for this system, assuming average-quality components?
Quite a long post—I am sure something might be missing. But are there any major inconsistencies or nonsense here? Please correct if necessary.
The system will be implemented using KNX. For functions that I don’t want or “need” right now, I at least want to plan empty conduits (ducts) for future wiring. The system’s long-term expansion should then take place through these empty conduits or, if they are not available, via a wireless solution.
First, a few questions and statements about the basics, just so I don’t plan based on incorrect assumptions. Please correct me where I am wrong:
- A KNX system can be fully programmed on the actuators, fully through logic, or via a mix of both. However, the components always need to be parameterized, which can only be done with ETS.
- The logic engine runs on the home server, which communicates with the bus via an interface. The logic is based on the ETS project.
- Each controllable load or group is connected to its own power line running to the distribution board. This means, in the extreme case, one line from every socket and light fixture to the distribution board.
- Can bus cables be branched, or do I need a separate cable from each sensor to the distribution board? Is it enough to run one cable per room and lay empty conduits for possible future sensors, or do I have to pull cables right away?
- Does it make sense to control underfloor heating and a central mechanical ventilation with heat recovery system via KNX?
I want to carry out the setup and expansion of the system in multiple phases. Although I am technically and manually skilled, my knowledge of programming, electrical work, and electronics is not sufficient (yet) to handle such a project on my own. Therefore, the electrician/system integrator will perform the electrical and KNX installation and setup. Initially, only the basic functions will be implemented—for example, lights on/off or shutters up/down using specific pushbuttons—so the house can first be operated “manually.” The second phase will start after completion and include creating a visualization with smartphone control, programming scenes and automatic sequences using a logic engine (I am thinking of something like Edomi), integrating a central control panel (Android panel or touch display with Raspberry Pi), and a home server (NUC or thin client), as well as connecting other components such as an IP door intercom or remote controls. The final phase will be further system expansion as needed, for example with a weather station, outdoor and indoor cameras, humidity sensors and ventilation control, or integrating wireless components (e.g., window contacts).
The house will be a bungalow without a basement but with an attic, about 140sqm (1507 sq ft) of living space and an attached garage with a technical and storage room. The distribution board will be located in the garage to avoid clicking actuators inside the living areas. I have thought about what I want for the basic installation in the individual rooms:
Living/Dining/Kitchen:
- Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds; pushbutton in kitchen for under-cabinet lighting
- Presence detectors/light sensors in all three areas
- Several lighting groups in the living area, one group in dining, ceiling spots and cabinet underlighting in kitchen each as one lighting group—all dimmable
- “Multimedia sockets” switchable, possibly additional dimmable sockets in the living room
- Outdoor light sensor under roof overhang on south side
Entrance area/Guest WC/Hallway:
- Pushbuttons for lights; in WC multi-functional pushbutton for blinds and lights
- Presence detector/light sensor
Office and Children’s Rooms:
- Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds, lights dimmable
- “PC/multimedia sockets” switchable, rest possibly dimmable
- Presence detector/light sensor
Bedroom and Walk-in Closet:
- Bedroom multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds, lights dimmable
- Sockets switchable and dimmable
- Presence detector/light sensor in both rooms
Bathroom:
- Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds
- Separate lighting groups above bathtub, shower, and sink—all dimmable
- Presence detector/light sensor
- Socket for mirror lighting switchable and dimmable
Utility Room:
- Pushbuttons for lights and blinds
- Presence detector/light sensor
- Water leak detector and shut-off valve
- Sockets switchable
Storage/Technical Room:
- Motion detector/light sensor
Garage:
- Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and garage door
- Motion detector/light sensor
Additionally, preparations for a weather station, heating and ventilation control, wall panel, etc.
What would be a rough estimate of the cost range for this system, assuming average-quality components?
Quite a long post—I am sure something might be missing. But are there any major inconsistencies or nonsense here? Please correct if necessary.
I could now continue asking what exactly you wanted to represent, if not that 🙂
Well, the plan is still in its early stages, and basically, what you’re describing is what is commonly understood as smart home technology, which doesn’t necessarily require KNX. It is only when you want to dive deeper into the subject that KNX becomes easier to handle than many other systems (keyword: interoperability) and often more appealing to look at (keyword: multifunctional touch sensors instead of boring switches).
If you only want the usual remote control functionality, that can also be achieved in other ways.
Dimmable outlets are a no-go. Regarding retrofitting, I don’t completely agree with undergasse43’s opinion/experience… there are just different types of installations. It depends on the user. Either they are tech-savvy and capable, or they always call the system integrator. For the former, retrofitting is possible; for the latter, rather not.
If you only want the usual remote control functionality, that can also be achieved in other ways.
Dimmable outlets are a no-go. Regarding retrofitting, I don’t completely agree with undergasse43’s opinion/experience… there are just different types of installations. It depends on the user. Either they are tech-savvy and capable, or they always call the system integrator. For the former, retrofitting is possible; for the latter, rather not.
HansDampf1311 schrieb:That’s actually the main task. Because otherwise, what would be the point?
Virtually mapping the existing physical KNX system.
Mycraft schrieb:
How much does a mid-range car cost?I have seen this question so many times that I thought I’d give an answer: 40,000€ (about 43,000 USD).H
HansDampf131112 Mar 2021 10:24Mycraft schrieb:
Well, the plan is still in its early stages, and basically, you’re describing what is commonly understood as smart home technology, which doesn’t necessarily require KNX. It’s only when you want to delve deeper into the subject that KNX becomes easier to work with than many other systems (keyword: interoperability) and often looks better as well (keyword: multifunctional touch sensors instead of boring switches).
If you’re only interested in the usual remote control capability, that can be achieved in other ways too.No, it’s not about remote control for me. As I wrote, I want to gradually integrate scenes and automations myself through the visualization/logic. This is primarily about the hardware, the basic setup, and then whether expanding it step by step (especially software but also hardware) is feasible the way I imagine.