ᐅ Smart Home Planning – Is This Basic Approach Suitable?

Created on: 11 Mar 2021 11:10
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HansDampf1311
Since my last thread, I have spent some more time studying the subject, and as the house planning is progressing faster than expected, I have already started making more concrete considerations regarding the "smart home" topic. I would like to share my ideas and plans, but also ask some fundamental questions to clarify my understanding.

The system will be implemented using KNX. For functions that I don’t want or “need” right now, I at least want to plan empty conduits (ducts) for future wiring. The system’s long-term expansion should then take place through these empty conduits or, if they are not available, via a wireless solution.

First, a few questions and statements about the basics, just so I don’t plan based on incorrect assumptions. Please correct me where I am wrong:
  • A KNX system can be fully programmed on the actuators, fully through logic, or via a mix of both. However, the components always need to be parameterized, which can only be done with ETS.
  • The logic engine runs on the home server, which communicates with the bus via an interface. The logic is based on the ETS project.
  • Each controllable load or group is connected to its own power line running to the distribution board. This means, in the extreme case, one line from every socket and light fixture to the distribution board.
  • Can bus cables be branched, or do I need a separate cable from each sensor to the distribution board? Is it enough to run one cable per room and lay empty conduits for possible future sensors, or do I have to pull cables right away?
  • Does it make sense to control underfloor heating and a central mechanical ventilation with heat recovery system via KNX?

I want to carry out the setup and expansion of the system in multiple phases. Although I am technically and manually skilled, my knowledge of programming, electrical work, and electronics is not sufficient (yet) to handle such a project on my own. Therefore, the electrician/system integrator will perform the electrical and KNX installation and setup. Initially, only the basic functions will be implemented—for example, lights on/off or shutters up/down using specific pushbuttons—so the house can first be operated “manually.” The second phase will start after completion and include creating a visualization with smartphone control, programming scenes and automatic sequences using a logic engine (I am thinking of something like Edomi), integrating a central control panel (Android panel or touch display with Raspberry Pi), and a home server (NUC or thin client), as well as connecting other components such as an IP door intercom or remote controls. The final phase will be further system expansion as needed, for example with a weather station, outdoor and indoor cameras, humidity sensors and ventilation control, or integrating wireless components (e.g., window contacts).

The house will be a bungalow without a basement but with an attic, about 140sqm (1507 sq ft) of living space and an attached garage with a technical and storage room. The distribution board will be located in the garage to avoid clicking actuators inside the living areas. I have thought about what I want for the basic installation in the individual rooms:

Living/Dining/Kitchen:
  • Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds; pushbutton in kitchen for under-cabinet lighting
  • Presence detectors/light sensors in all three areas
  • Several lighting groups in the living area, one group in dining, ceiling spots and cabinet underlighting in kitchen each as one lighting group—all dimmable
  • “Multimedia sockets” switchable, possibly additional dimmable sockets in the living room
  • Outdoor light sensor under roof overhang on south side

Entrance area/Guest WC/Hallway:
  • Pushbuttons for lights; in WC multi-functional pushbutton for blinds and lights
  • Presence detector/light sensor

Office and Children’s Rooms:
  • Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds, lights dimmable
  • “PC/multimedia sockets” switchable, rest possibly dimmable
  • Presence detector/light sensor

Bedroom and Walk-in Closet:
  • Bedroom multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds, lights dimmable
  • Sockets switchable and dimmable
  • Presence detector/light sensor in both rooms

Bathroom:
  • Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and blinds
  • Separate lighting groups above bathtub, shower, and sink—all dimmable
  • Presence detector/light sensor
  • Socket for mirror lighting switchable and dimmable

Utility Room:
  • Pushbuttons for lights and blinds
  • Presence detector/light sensor
  • Water leak detector and shut-off valve
  • Sockets switchable

Storage/Technical Room:
  • Motion detector/light sensor

Garage:
  • Multi-functional pushbuttons for lights and garage door
  • Motion detector/light sensor

Additionally, preparations for a weather station, heating and ventilation control, wall panel, etc.

What would be a rough estimate of the cost range for this system, assuming average-quality components?

Quite a long post—I am sure something might be missing. But are there any major inconsistencies or nonsense here? Please correct if necessary.
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nordanney
11 Mar 2021 14:51
HansDampf1311 schrieb:

Yes, you're probably right. I was mainly thinking about redundancy. Sitting in the dark because the occupancy sensor malfunctions is just annoying.
And what if both the occupancy sensor and the switch malfunction? Then install a second switch for safety? 😉

Either rely on automation or stick to manual control.
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HansDampf1311
11 Mar 2021 14:56
nordanney schrieb:

And what if motion sensors and switches act up? Should you then install a second switch just to be safe? 😉

Either rely on automation or stay manual.
Yes, yes! Point taken and noted :p But that only really applies to rooms where you don’t spend much time, right? Like the entrance hall, guest restroom, storage rooms, wardrobe, ... In the bedroom, I’d still like to have the option to raise or lower the shutters at the push of a button.
Mycraft11 Mar 2021 15:03
HansDampf1311 schrieb:

How exactly? Multiple sensors?

No, you’re thinking of KNX. With that, you could even control the light in your restroom using a switch outside in the garage if you wanted. But since that would be impractical (although possible and expandable to 50 more points if needed), you usually map the light not only via the lighting control module but also additionally in the visualization system and, if necessary, assign it to a free switch in the hallway leading to the restroom or also link it to the door contact or window contacts in the restroom. So the possibilities are nearly endless... and all that without the usual switch at the door.

But yes, multiple sensors are possible if you have the budget.
HansDampf1311 schrieb:

"Then we only have one central switch for everything in the living/dining/kitchen area" reacted with a very skeptical and confused look

Hehe, yes, that’s the usual reaction. Later, the same people look puzzled when you tell them they actually have to press something here or there because they’re used to not having to do anything anymore.
HansDampf1311 schrieb:

I mean a stable ceiling

So you’re building a typical bungalow with a pitched roof. Okay… yes, you can run quite a bit above that, and even years later, it’s still possible to pull cables through without much effort.
HansDampf1311 schrieb:

Well, switches and wall/ceiling sensors.

From experience, switches either get completely eliminated over time or their functions are simply expanded by replacing the old switch with a new one and reprogramming it. With sensors, however, yes, you occasionally need or want something at position X/Y, and good planning for the future helps here. And yes, it is possible to foresee much despite the common belief that it’s almost impossible.
HansDampf1311 schrieb:

But that only applies to rooms where you don’t really “live,” right? Like entrance areas, guest restrooms, storage rooms, walk-in closets, …

But these rooms actually make up a significant part of a house and are often treated regarding automation as if they were living spaces. Of course, that’s not the case, and this is where costs can be saved quite effectively.
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HansDampf1311
11 Mar 2021 15:28
@Mycraft Thanks for the detailed explanations.

So, does that mean you can also create virtual sensors or switches in the visualization? I hadn’t considered that before, and it really opens up more possibilities.
Strangely, I left out switches in the storage rooms exactly for that reason—I thought they were unnecessary.

What do you think overall about the plan, aside from the redundant switches, especially considering the relatively good retrofitting option through the ceiling? Is there anything that doesn’t make sense or could be better solved?
untergasse4311 Mar 2021 15:44
HansDampf1311 schrieb:

So does that mean you can create virtual sensors or switches in the visualization? I hadn’t considered that before, and it opens up even more possibilities.
What did you imagine a visualization was for? You can use it for tasks you don’t need often. For example, you can save yourself from using physical thermostats that way.
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HansDampf1311
11 Mar 2021 15:59
untergasse43 schrieb:

What did you expect to do with a visualization? It lets you manage things that you rarely use, for example. You can even save on thermostats this way.

To virtually represent the existing, physical KNX system. Somehow, it never occurred to me that you can also virtualize sensors with it and use that to control actuators 🙄