Hello everyone,
I’ve been following the forum for a while now, and finally, we’re ready to build our own home!
We have already found a very nice plot of land, but it is planned to be divided into two lots. There are already two interested buyers, namely us and our future building partner (who will also be building with the same construction company).
Now, the question is about access. Attached you can see the first site plan from the architect. Our plot would be the plot on the right. The land will be subdivided into three parcels, with both buyers jointly purchasing and sharing the small “access strip” 50/50 as a driveway.
Alternatively, we could purchase the entire right plot, and our neighbors would then have to create their access from the other road to the south. According to the building authority, both options are possible.
If we choose the option shown in the attachment, we would have to buy less land. The architect said that the right plot (with a small border adjustment) could be reduced to a maximum of 500sqm (5,382 sq ft). This is already somewhat expensive for us, but manageable. With the shared driveway, our plot would be “only” about 420sqm (4,521 sq ft), but we would presumably have to pay for half of the driveway. We were also told that we might save some costs on utility connections with a shared driveway.
Here are the questions we have:
Has anyone had experience with this kind of subdivision and could offer us advice? Of course, such an arrangement requires more communication with the neighbor. Also, we couldn’t use the driveway area ourselves for parking or anything like that. The neighbors would always be driving directly in front of our house. But financially, there might be advantages.
I would greatly appreciate any help and your thoughts! And if you have any general suggestions about the site plan, feel free to share those as well! (:
Best regards,
Fyddles
I’ve been following the forum for a while now, and finally, we’re ready to build our own home!
We have already found a very nice plot of land, but it is planned to be divided into two lots. There are already two interested buyers, namely us and our future building partner (who will also be building with the same construction company).
Now, the question is about access. Attached you can see the first site plan from the architect. Our plot would be the plot on the right. The land will be subdivided into three parcels, with both buyers jointly purchasing and sharing the small “access strip” 50/50 as a driveway.
Alternatively, we could purchase the entire right plot, and our neighbors would then have to create their access from the other road to the south. According to the building authority, both options are possible.
If we choose the option shown in the attachment, we would have to buy less land. The architect said that the right plot (with a small border adjustment) could be reduced to a maximum of 500sqm (5,382 sq ft). This is already somewhat expensive for us, but manageable. With the shared driveway, our plot would be “only” about 420sqm (4,521 sq ft), but we would presumably have to pay for half of the driveway. We were also told that we might save some costs on utility connections with a shared driveway.
Here are the questions we have:
- How does the agreement with the neighbor work regarding the construction of the driveway? Could it become expensive for us if, for example, expensive materials are required?
- Is there really a cost saving on utility connections?
- How much does subdividing the land cost? Both in general and specifically for dividing it into three parcels?
Has anyone had experience with this kind of subdivision and could offer us advice? Of course, such an arrangement requires more communication with the neighbor. Also, we couldn’t use the driveway area ourselves for parking or anything like that. The neighbors would always be driving directly in front of our house. But financially, there might be advantages.
I would greatly appreciate any help and your thoughts! And if you have any general suggestions about the site plan, feel free to share those as well! (:
Best regards,
Fyddles
Yes Escroda, we agree; I’m just looking for factors that might reduce the financial incentive.
Well, some people have also asked about our plot, wondering if it would be for sale as a long-standing building gap. Luckily, it was purchased before the worst price increases and without any building intention. Anyone who owns a plot without a building obligation usually won’t let it go without a good reason.
Well, some people have also asked about our plot, wondering if it would be for sale as a long-standing building gap. Luckily, it was purchased before the worst price increases and without any building intention. Anyone who owns a plot without a building obligation usually won’t let it go without a good reason.
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wurmwichtel21 Mar 2019 20:38If the seller wants significantly more than the standard land value, you should be able to say without any hesitation, "Yes! This is the dream plot for us!" If there is even the smallest doubt or concern, the plot is not suitable for you, and you may regret it later.
In my opinion, the best solution would be to build on the boundary line—with a semi-detached house (duplex) to create more space along the outer property boundaries.
Okay... some might not want that much garden space, but 420m² (5,000 square feet) is hardly more than two stretches of 3m (10 feet) from the house to the property line, plus a bit more in front of the terrace. We have almost ten times that amount and the courage to leave unused areas a bit wild—that means mowing only once a year and letting nature take its course.
In my opinion, the best solution would be to build on the boundary line—with a semi-detached house (duplex) to create more space along the outer property boundaries.
Okay... some might not want that much garden space, but 420m² (5,000 square feet) is hardly more than two stretches of 3m (10 feet) from the house to the property line, plus a bit more in front of the terrace. We have almost ten times that amount and the courage to leave unused areas a bit wild—that means mowing only once a year and letting nature take its course.
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nordanney21 Mar 2019 22:52wurmwichtel schrieb:
We have almost ten times as much and the willingness to leave unused areas untidy, meaning we mow only once a year and let nature take its course. But you also live in an area where land is not scarce. Try buying a plot on the outskirts of Düsseldorf – lots of commuting to work, and still a smaller multi-million amount changes hands for that kind of area.
On 420 sqm (5,000 sq ft), you can build a small triplex in urban areas – and each of the three homeowners is happy about the still affordable plot.
Hmm... do I understand correctly that you either could share this driveway together, or alternatively: you buy the plot with the driveway alone and the neighbor has to arrange their own driveway?
Why not sell the plot on the left side with the driveway (flag lot), and you take the 420 sqm (5,000 sq ft) plot without using that driveway? You don’t need a driveway if you only have a short one to the east.
You could plant a hedge along the driveway that then belongs to someone else.
Personally, I’m not a fan of narrow, long driveways anyway. They just take up space, are expensive to pave, lack appeal, and on top of that, you have to maintain them (like snow shoveling, for example).
Why not sell the plot on the left side with the driveway (flag lot), and you take the 420 sqm (5,000 sq ft) plot without using that driveway? You don’t need a driveway if you only have a short one to the east.
You could plant a hedge along the driveway that then belongs to someone else.
Personally, I’m not a fan of narrow, long driveways anyway. They just take up space, are expensive to pave, lack appeal, and on top of that, you have to maintain them (like snow shoveling, for example).
ypg schrieb:
Why not have the left-hand property purchase the left-hand side plot with the driveway (flag lot), Why would the neighbor want to buy a flag lot just to avoid a southern driveway exit?
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wurmwichtel22 Mar 2019 12:35nordanney schrieb:
But you also live in an area where land is not scarce. Try buying land in the commuter belt around Düsseldorf... No – we were lucky, and about three-quarters of the plot is located in an outlying area that, from the perspective of prospective builders, costs nothing (grassland).
It’s 20 km (12 miles) to Potsdam, and where we lived in Potsdam, building land costs a straightforward 350 €/m² (about $370 per square yard) (in other parts of the city, you can only find land if you’re willing to pay between 650 and 1500 €/m² (about $690 to $1590 per square yard)).
In our town, there will soon be no more building land because the city is surrounded by peat layers up to 14 m (46 feet) thick. This led to an increase in the standard land value of almost 70% within the last two years. Building land currently costs around 100 to 150 €/m² (about $110 to $160 per square yard) here – which may not sound like much at first, but considering that the average income in Brandenburg is about 25% below the national average, it looks quite different.
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