ᐅ How complex are heat pumps in everyday use?

Created on: 22 Nov 2021 11:47
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hampshire
22 Nov 2021 11:47
The discussions in the threads about heat pump consumption and supply temperature settings are full of technical terms, values, and configurations. It is sometimes mentioned that installers pay little attention to optimal adjustments, and that one should be more careful during the system design phase. From what I understand, incorrectly sized and/or poorly adjusted heat pumps lose their economic advantages. Therefore, I have three questions:

1. How much knowledge and skill does a homeowner actually need to acquire in order to achieve the cost-effectiveness they expect from their decision?

2. How likely is improper use by inexperienced users who simply want to have a comfortable temperature in their home?

3. What habits does a person need to give up when living for the first time in a house with a heat pump in order to achieve the expected cost-efficiency?
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RotorMotor
22 Nov 2021 11:59
An interesting question. Unfortunately, it is difficult to answer precisely.

First of all, I would say that it is absolutely no problem to comfortably heat your house or apartment!

The optimization mainly concerns the seasonal performance factor (seasonal performance factor) and possibly also the lifespan (although reliable data is still lacking).

1. Here, I think you have to distinguish how skilled the heating engineer was/is. If skilled, then little to no personal knowledge is needed, and you can only gain a few percent on your own. If not skilled, things get interesting. 😉

2. The biggest misuse would be trying to restrict heating in certain rooms or areas, but this does not occur if you simply want to keep the house warm.

3. None at all.
(Differences generally come from insulation, controlled ventilation systems, underfloor heating, etc., but not from the heat generator itself.)
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Benutzer200
22 Nov 2021 12:06
First of all, it depends on the heating engineer how much knowledge you need to contribute. However, you often only find out whether the heating engineer was sufficiently competent after the construction is completed, when it is too late.

Regarding point 1: Study the basics (whether here in the forum or other forums) and work closely with the heating engineer. Then, in the end, you won’t need a degree in rocket science, but will only fine-tune the system.

Regarding point 2: As long as the user does not tamper with the system, the risk is close to zero.

Regarding point 3: No need to change any particular habits. I assume as basic knowledge that the heating should be off when windows are open.

In the end, the question will also be what you consider "cost-effective." Because of the plot, all heat pumps are economical to some extent—some more, some less.
Nida35a22 Nov 2021 12:34
Basically, I consider heat pump controls to still be underdeveloped. The principle works, houses get warm. But the automatic adjustment to the house and its occupants does not happen. The user is left alone with a device that is supposed to work for thousands of houses and is considered successful if no one is freezing. The user is expected to optimize by adjusting heating curves??? No one achieves 100% efficiency that way. I would expect a heat pump to automatically optimize itself perfectly for the house and its occupants, since every house is different. If every heat pump were optimized between 97 and 100%, then the technology would be mature. It doesn’t matter whether this happens offline or online. In a car, I set the cruise control to 120 km/h (75 mph), and I don’t worry about the engine’s performance curve.

1) Desire: no knowledge needed, yet optimal heat pump performance
2) Due to lack of knowledge, partial knowledge, hearsay, and fiddling, many heat pumps do not run optimally
3) The user and all family members do not change overall, so the heat pump has to handle this

I just had to get this off my chest after all the heat pump tinkering threads. This should be a task for universities and manufacturers to reduce energy consumption.
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RotorMotor
22 Nov 2021 12:50
Just because many people here enjoy optimizing their heat pumps as a hobby, it doesn’t mean that all others are running inefficiently.
It would be useful to find out how much potential for improvement actually exists.
Is it 2%, 5%, or even 10%?
So, can an annual performance factor of 4 be improved to 4.4?

With a car, the driver can usually achieve much more (for example, driving a Golf at 5 liters instead of 8 liters per 100km).
And there are drivers who attend training sessions, exchange tips in forums, and then those who just drive.
Musketier22 Nov 2021 13:06
I believe the same approach could have been applied to gas or oil heating systems 30 years ago. However, hardly anyone was interested back then.
Maybe people exchanged views informally at the local pub while playing cards if the resident heating engineer was at the table. Forums or similar platforms simply didn’t exist.
Even then, the supply temperature could have been lowered from 60°C (140°F) to 50°C (122°F). Instead, there was a night mode, and the temperature was pushed higher during the day. Whether that made sense or not was rarely questioned.