Hello,
we want to build a KfW 40 plus house with a prefab home provider that has not yet been decided. Some elements, such as the photovoltaic system including storage, the prefabricated basement, the garage, the staircase, and possibly a few other items will be outsourced because it simply makes more sense.
Now to the actual process (after purchasing the plot).
1. Should we look for an architect/energy consultant ourselves, or does the architect from the prefab home company take over this role even if the basement, photovoltaic system, etc. are ordered externally?
2. Should we find an expert to simply support us during the construction? For this, should we rather choose someone from a home builders’ association or someone like a "prefab home expert"?
3. Obtain quotes from the prefab home companies, the basement builders, the photovoltaic installer, etc. For this purpose, I have already created a checklist to ensure that not too many additional costs appear during selection but that everything is included in the initial offer (otherwise it would be hard to compare). Of course, we will carry out a preliminary selection to be absolutely sure. What is a sensible order here? For example: prefab home provider first, then basement builder, then photovoltaic company, then exterior work, then staircase builder?
4. Decision on the prefab home company and revision or extension of the contracts such as the scope of work through additional clauses and everything that is not fairly balanced.
5. Then price negotiation. Should professional help be sought here as well and, if so, who? Would that person also be involved during the process?
6. Signature and starting signal for construction. The architect should have the floor plans, etc. ready before that for the building permit / planning permission application.
It would be great to get lots of input here so we are better prepared! Many thanks in advance!
we want to build a KfW 40 plus house with a prefab home provider that has not yet been decided. Some elements, such as the photovoltaic system including storage, the prefabricated basement, the garage, the staircase, and possibly a few other items will be outsourced because it simply makes more sense.
Now to the actual process (after purchasing the plot).
1. Should we look for an architect/energy consultant ourselves, or does the architect from the prefab home company take over this role even if the basement, photovoltaic system, etc. are ordered externally?
2. Should we find an expert to simply support us during the construction? For this, should we rather choose someone from a home builders’ association or someone like a "prefab home expert"?
3. Obtain quotes from the prefab home companies, the basement builders, the photovoltaic installer, etc. For this purpose, I have already created a checklist to ensure that not too many additional costs appear during selection but that everything is included in the initial offer (otherwise it would be hard to compare). Of course, we will carry out a preliminary selection to be absolutely sure. What is a sensible order here? For example: prefab home provider first, then basement builder, then photovoltaic company, then exterior work, then staircase builder?
4. Decision on the prefab home company and revision or extension of the contracts such as the scope of work through additional clauses and everything that is not fairly balanced.
5. Then price negotiation. Should professional help be sought here as well and, if so, who? Would that person also be involved during the process?
6. Signature and starting signal for construction. The architect should have the floor plans, etc. ready before that for the building permit / planning permission application.
It would be great to get lots of input here so we are better prepared! Many thanks in advance!
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Eigenheim_20112 Jun 2020 14:29Also on the building savings contract page: The contents of the construction contract and the construction and scope of work description are essential for the upcoming building project. Therefore, you can have the fixed-price construction contract reviewed by one of our trusted attorneys and the construction and scope of work description checked by one of our building advisors.
As I mentioned, I need someone to review the small but important details and to communicate with the site manager on an equal footing. Since I am not from this field and might only understand about 30% of it, I am looking for this kind of support. This assistance should review everything before signing the contract and ensure that additional clauses fairly allocate responsibilities.
Yes, the costs for this are quite significant. It amounts to a few thousand euros, but you have to consider the savings elsewhere and the legal protection it provides.
As I mentioned, I need someone to review the small but important details and to communicate with the site manager on an equal footing. Since I am not from this field and might only understand about 30% of it, I am looking for this kind of support. This assistance should review everything before signing the contract and ensure that additional clauses fairly allocate responsibilities.
Yes, the costs for this are quite significant. It amounts to a few thousand euros, but you have to consider the savings elsewhere and the legal protection it provides.
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T_im_Norden2 Jun 2020 14:36Let's assume the lawyer finds something and the expert does too.
You go to the company and say you want it changed.
Do you think companies that currently have contracts for several years would agree to that?
You go to the company and say you want it changed.
Do you think companies that currently have contracts for several years would agree to that?
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Eigenheim_20112 Jun 2020 14:39Let me think, the budget is between €350,000 and €400,000, with most of the costs actually incurred during the shell construction (which usually progresses quite quickly). Now I come along and say point A38 scaffolding is not provided by the builder! Do you really think they would say no?
Then the housebuilding industry must be doing extremely well, or I have come across the wrong company.
Then the housebuilding industry must be doing extremely well, or I have come across the wrong company.
It definitely depends on the region. Here, a reputable company would say that the scaffolding could be included in the contract for €3000 (approximately $3200).
However, the fact that the scaffolding—which is absolutely necessary—is not included in the contract at all does not reflect well on the company...
However, the fact that the scaffolding—which is absolutely necessary—is not included in the contract at all does not reflect well on the company...
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Eigenheim_20112 Jun 2020 14:46Yes, I know it was just an example of things that are often passed on to the homeowner. But it did happen with one provider. I don’t know if they have changed it. Instead of scaffolding, it could be the toilet or fees for changes after signing the contract, etc.
I agree with the suggestion to thoroughly question all the decision-making basis, as they also seem to rest too much on a foundation of naive assumptions. Not least, I would leave the selective dream of "saving money" by hiring the basement contractor directly in fairyland. OKKD is an interface where responsibility should only be divided if you like gambling.
I have already written about the "prefab expert" here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/fertighausexperte-sinnvoll-oder-rausgeschmissenes-Geld.32431/page-5#post-348247 and here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/fertighausexperte-sinnvoll-oder-rausgeschmissenes-Geld.32431/page-15#post-388733 and consider their specialization to be quite reasonable—at least when we are talking about timber frame prefabricated houses; those with masonry walls hardly differ conceptually from their traditionally built counterparts.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
hampshire schrieb:
These "prefab experts" seem suspicious to me; I do not see any significant difference from a general "construction expert," nor any special additional qualification specifically for prefabricated houses.
I have already written about the "prefab expert" here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/fertighausexperte-sinnvoll-oder-rausgeschmissenes-Geld.32431/page-5#post-348247 and here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/fertighausexperte-sinnvoll-oder-rausgeschmissenes-Geld.32431/page-15#post-388733 and consider their specialization to be quite reasonable—at least when we are talking about timber frame prefabricated houses; those with masonry walls hardly differ conceptually from their traditionally built counterparts.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/