Hello dear community,
we are planning to buy a house, preferably an energy-efficient House 55. To be clear, we are still searching and currently have nothing fixed.
However, I am already thinking a lot about topics such as the home network, home bus system, and TV wiring. I have searched a lot online, but many questions remain. I now have some questions and hope you can help me with your experience:
Home Network
Thank you very much for your help.
we are planning to buy a house, preferably an energy-efficient House 55. To be clear, we are still searching and currently have nothing fixed.
However, I am already thinking a lot about topics such as the home network, home bus system, and TV wiring. I have searched a lot online, but many questions remain. I now have some questions and hope you can help me with your experience:
Home Network
- Which cables should I install, considering future-proofing? Cat 6 or Cat 7?
- How does it work with the cables? They are bought, for example, on a 100 or 200 meter (328 or 656 feet) roll. Do connectors need to be attached afterward?
- How are the cables connected to flush-mounted sockets?
- The central point should be the basement. Everything should come together here. Do you use a patch panel (which I have never heard of before) or a router with switches? Internet will be provided by a cable provider. Would the installation then be as follows? Wall socket in the basement --> cable provider’s modem --> router --> patch panel --> flush-mounted sockets?
- How are the network cables actually routed? One cable from the patch panel to each flush-mounted socket? The sockets should each have 2 ports. Or do you have to run 2 cables per socket? IMPORTANT: At least gigabit is required everywhere, preferably 10 Gb! If you assume one cable per port, that will result in a lot of cables.
- Our house should also be future-proof. I keep reading about KNX/EIB bus systems for homes. Can you recommend them? I am thinking, for example, of programming lights and monitoring and controlling the heating and ventilation system.
- What do you think of the company GIRA (KNX system, sockets, etc.)?
- For security reasons, I do not want the home bus system to be connected to the Internet. I do not need to control the heating via the Internet, etc. Is something like this possible (a private home network)?
- TV wiring is actually related to my questions about network installation. What kind of cables are used here?
- Is one cable installed per socket?
- How is this implemented if you have a satellite dish with one LNB? Can the signal be distributed throughout the house? Can everyone watch what they want? Or is additional equipment needed?
Thank you very much for your help.
Flushracer schrieb:
Hello Jochen,
You are absolutely right. My questions are very basic. My intention is, for example, to pull cables. A certified electrician must do the final connections. It is important to me to understand what I am doing, why I am doing it, and whether an electrician might be trying to take advantage of me .
If I don’t understand something, I ask so that I do understand. Sorry if some of my questions seem too simple to some. But I think you all explain things really well. Thank you very much for that.
PS: I still have time to study the subject calmly I just wanted to question that. I really appreciate your attitude. Unfortunately, there are always people who think that wiring for LAN is just as simple as for Wi-Fi.
I can confidently recommend all KNX manufacturers, such as GIRA, ABB, Busch-Jaeger, MDT, JUNG, Merten, Schneider, Siemens, and many more. They all offer essentially the same products; the differences lie mainly in price and device functionality.
For empty conduits, you need to consider how many cables will pass through them and choose the diameter accordingly.
My patch panel is simply mounted on the wall. In my opinion, it’s not always necessary to install a network cabinet just for a patch panel and a switch.
Yes, I have 17 cables running from the satellite dish to the multiswitch inside the house: 4 cables per LNB and 1 for DVB-T.
Preparing for KNX wiring doesn’t make much sense because KNX wiring and conventional wiring are fundamentally different. So, either you do it properly from the start, or later you are limited to wireless solutions or isolated systems from various manufacturers. Ideally, you just need to do the cabling and basic functions correctly at first, and you can expand later, which can save a lot of money. Of course, this requires that the homeowner or a friend handle the programming when expanding the system—if the electrician has to come every time, it will get expensive.
For empty conduits, you need to consider how many cables will pass through them and choose the diameter accordingly.
My patch panel is simply mounted on the wall. In my opinion, it’s not always necessary to install a network cabinet just for a patch panel and a switch.
Yes, I have 17 cables running from the satellite dish to the multiswitch inside the house: 4 cables per LNB and 1 for DVB-T.
Preparing for KNX wiring doesn’t make much sense because KNX wiring and conventional wiring are fundamentally different. So, either you do it properly from the start, or later you are limited to wireless solutions or isolated systems from various manufacturers. Ideally, you just need to do the cabling and basic functions correctly at first, and you can expand later, which can save a lot of money. Of course, this requires that the homeowner or a friend handle the programming when expanding the system—if the electrician has to come every time, it will get expensive.
Hi, this topic is a few years old, but it is currently relevant for me. To keep things clear, I’m asking you @Mycraft here instead of in my own thread.
You have 4 LNBs on your dish? How many satellites besides Astra do you want to receive, or are currently receiving, and why?
If I have only one LNB for Astra with a 4-output connector, so I run 4 cables to the switch and from there 8 cables to individual receivers, can only 4 people watch different TV channels at the same time, or could I theoretically watch 4 channels and record 4 more simultaneously?
You have 4 LNBs on your dish? How many satellites besides Astra do you want to receive, or are currently receiving, and why?
If I have only one LNB for Astra with a 4-output connector, so I run 4 cables to the switch and from there 8 cables to individual receivers, can only 4 people watch different TV channels at the same time, or could I theoretically watch 4 channels and record 4 more simultaneously?
4 LNBs for 4 satellites, which can then be distributed to all TVs in the house. Currently, only 3 are active; the LNB for the 4th satellite is underwater.
Astra 19.2
Hotbird 13.0
Astra 2A 28.2
Why 3 or 4 satellites: mainly for UK and US channels.
There are different LNBs with 4 outputs... Quattro or Quad.
With a Quattro LNB, you need a multiswitch, and the finished signal can then be distributed to any number of TVs (as many as the multiswitch supports), e.g., 4, 8, 16, etc. All can watch or record different programs simultaneously.
With a Quad LNB, the multiswitch is built-in but limited to a maximum of 4 receivers.
There is also, for example, the Octo version, where you can run 8 cables directly from the LNB to 8 receivers, and all 8 can watch or record different programs independently.
Astra 19.2
Hotbird 13.0
Astra 2A 28.2
Why 3 or 4 satellites: mainly for UK and US channels.
305er schrieb:
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There are different LNBs with 4 outputs... Quattro or Quad.
With a Quattro LNB, you need a multiswitch, and the finished signal can then be distributed to any number of TVs (as many as the multiswitch supports), e.g., 4, 8, 16, etc. All can watch or record different programs simultaneously.
With a Quad LNB, the multiswitch is built-in but limited to a maximum of 4 receivers.
There is also, for example, the Octo version, where you can run 8 cables directly from the LNB to 8 receivers, and all 8 can watch or record different programs independently.
Mycraft, are you of Polish or Italian descent? At least, looking at the Hotbird satellite, it doesn’t make sense to me otherwise, unless you understand one of those two languages.
And Astra 2A is 90% English... okay, I don’t need that either. But good to know =)
Which satellite can we receive for 90% USA channels? Or is that not possible?
So you have 4 LNBs, each with 4 outputs, connected to your multiswitch?
And from there, the signal is distributed to the individual rooms? Does each LNB require its own cable to each room, or does the multiswitch handle that?
I always thought you had to aim the dish at the satellite, but now it seems to me that you rather have to adjust the LNB?
And Astra 2A is 90% English... okay, I don’t need that either. But good to know =)
Which satellite can we receive for 90% USA channels? Or is that not possible?
So you have 4 LNBs, each with 4 outputs, connected to your multiswitch?
And from there, the signal is distributed to the individual rooms? Does each LNB require its own cable to each room, or does the multiswitch handle that?
I always thought you had to aim the dish at the satellite, but now it seems to me that you rather have to adjust the LNB?
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Steffen8031 Aug 2017 10:56We have also installed fiber optic cables from the utility room to all key areas (video wall, office, HTPC, etc.). This costs almost nothing and should not run into any limits at least within my lifetime.