ᐅ Costs of a Bathroom Renovation Including Minor Layout Changes
Created on: 16 Jan 2020 15:52
K
kowalski
Hello dear forum members,
I want to renovate the bathroom in my apartment from the 1960s.
As was common back then, the bathroom is very small (about 3.5m² (38 sq ft)) and unfortunately equipped with a combined mini bathtub and shower. I would like to replace this with a shower. Since all the connections and drains are located on one side, the layout is quite inconvenient given the small size (room depth only 2m (6.5 ft)), with the toilet and sink positioned next to each other. You would gain a lot more space for the shower (across the entire width) if the sink could be moved to the opposite side. Of course, this would require major renovations, meaning changes to the drainage and water supply.
I understand that a bathroom is a significant cost factor, but the prices I have encountered here in Berlin, where I live, have really been surprising. So far, I have contacted three companies, and all of them told me to budget €15,000 (!!) if I want to avoid any surprises. This sounds like an extremely high amount to me — the bathroom measures only 2m (6.5 ft) deep, 1.7m (5.6 ft) wide, and 2.7m (8.9 ft) high.
I have very little experience with this and wanted to ask here if such prices are typical.
Thanks in advance.
I want to renovate the bathroom in my apartment from the 1960s.
As was common back then, the bathroom is very small (about 3.5m² (38 sq ft)) and unfortunately equipped with a combined mini bathtub and shower. I would like to replace this with a shower. Since all the connections and drains are located on one side, the layout is quite inconvenient given the small size (room depth only 2m (6.5 ft)), with the toilet and sink positioned next to each other. You would gain a lot more space for the shower (across the entire width) if the sink could be moved to the opposite side. Of course, this would require major renovations, meaning changes to the drainage and water supply.
I understand that a bathroom is a significant cost factor, but the prices I have encountered here in Berlin, where I live, have really been surprising. So far, I have contacted three companies, and all of them told me to budget €15,000 (!!) if I want to avoid any surprises. This sounds like an extremely high amount to me — the bathroom measures only 2m (6.5 ft) deep, 1.7m (5.6 ft) wide, and 2.7m (8.9 ft) high.
I have very little experience with this and wanted to ask here if such prices are typical.
Thanks in advance.
N
nordanney17 Jan 2020 18:29Joedreck schrieb:
So, a single person easily needs 2-3 days to gut the old bathroom. That leaves 9 days.
Then straightening the walls, either plastering or drywall. Another 3 days gone. Remaining 6.
Leveling the screed. 0.5 days, we’ll exclude that.
The rough installation also takes 1-2 days.Maybe for an old man, but not for a professional tradesperson. You haven’t dealt with skilled workers before, have you? And if you have, it was probably only with ones who overcharged you.N
nordanney17 Jan 2020 18:36Joedreck schrieb:
Your bathroom furniture is neat, but nothing really "special." My wife wanted a unique toilet bowl and a stylish curved washbasin with a vanity cabinet.Are we talking about renovating a 3.5m² (38 sq ft) bathroom, for which you want to spend €5000 per square meter (€465 per sq ft) and consider that moderate? Nonsense! If you want to install luxury features, go ahead, but don’t give advice that is completely unreasonable.N
nordanney17 Jan 2020 18:37Joedreck schrieb:
Nice assumption. But I have, and no, I rather haven’t.No assumption. Otherwise, you would know what timeframes to plan for tradespeople. At least when it comes to things like renovations.That’s just an assumption. Otherwise, you would know that small amounts add up there as well, such as travel time, for example. And I don’t know how many bathrooms you have gutted compared to me. These are hours that can be billed.
You can also build a tiny house with 60m² (645 sq ft) and still have high costs per square meter. You were the one who set the time estimates yourself. Please accompany a company during a renovation once.
I was involved in every step after the gutting. The tradesperson worked diligently and did a proper job.
At a friend’s new build, the tradesperson was faster. And during tiling, it was noticed that the partition wall was completely out of alignment.
Sorry, but after two complete renovations, both self-coordinated with a lot of personal effort, your assumption remains just that. Nothing more, nothing less.
You can also build a tiny house with 60m² (645 sq ft) and still have high costs per square meter. You were the one who set the time estimates yourself. Please accompany a company during a renovation once.
I was involved in every step after the gutting. The tradesperson worked diligently and did a proper job.
At a friend’s new build, the tradesperson was faster. And during tiling, it was noticed that the partition wall was completely out of alignment.
Sorry, but after two complete renovations, both self-coordinated with a lot of personal effort, your assumption remains just that. Nothing more, nothing less.
15k for such a small bathroom... Plus toilet prices over 800€.
Relax a bit.
@Te: You can probably do the gutting yourself over the weekend. Once everything is gutted and clean, you can hire a plumber/tiler from MyHammer. If you want, before that, use a hammer drill to chisel grooves for the pipes where you want them.
That’s exactly how I renovated my small bathroom last year.
Total cost including a shower partition at 150cm (59 inches) height, branded toilet bowl with soft-close and extra coating, walk-in shower, washbasin, heating, tiler: 5k
But you should do the gutting and clearing out yourself. It’s easy and only costs about 50€ for a garbage bag including curbside pickup.
Sure, you can also spend 30k! Or even 50k...
But you don’t have to.
Relax a bit.
@Te: You can probably do the gutting yourself over the weekend. Once everything is gutted and clean, you can hire a plumber/tiler from MyHammer. If you want, before that, use a hammer drill to chisel grooves for the pipes where you want them.
That’s exactly how I renovated my small bathroom last year.
Total cost including a shower partition at 150cm (59 inches) height, branded toilet bowl with soft-close and extra coating, walk-in shower, washbasin, heating, tiler: 5k
But you should do the gutting and clearing out yourself. It’s easy and only costs about 50€ for a garbage bag including curbside pickup.
Sure, you can also spend 30k! Or even 50k...
But you don’t have to.