ᐅ Assessment of a Developer’s Construction Performance – Experiences?
Created on: 30 Jul 2018 19:26
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Co2k_zhenka
Hello everyone,
I wanted to share a construction offer from a developer and ask for your opinion on what you think about it:
- Solid construction method
- 5-year warranty
- Architectural services, earthworks, foundation slab, shell construction, plastered facade
- Carpentry, roofing work, windows and front door, heating/plumbing
- Drywall installation, electrical work, interior staircase, structural calculations with reinforcement plans, thermal insulation certificate
- 24 cm (9.5 inches) masonry using Poroton/Unipor blocks, interior masonry Poroton/Unipor 17.5 cm (7 inches) / 11.5 cm (4.5 inches)
- Plastered facade, roof frame construction as a gable roof, roof covering with glazed clay tiles (Creaton)
- Roof overhang made of plastic, windows and patio doors by Rehau with 6-chamber system
- Electric roller shutters, air source heat pump, chimney, underfloor heating in all rooms with individual room control (ground floor + upper floor)
- Circulation line with pump, electrical installations according to building specifications
- Interior plaster and screed works according to building specifications in all rooms
- Aluminum front door with side panel
Owner’s tasks:
Tile installation, painting, flooring, interior doors
The developer is asking for 203,750€ for this, and the plot costs 52,500€.
What would you criticize in the included services? Or is it solid and acceptable overall?
Thanks in advance for your input.
PS: I hope this is the right forum for this post, otherwise please feel free to move it 🙂
I wanted to share a construction offer from a developer and ask for your opinion on what you think about it:
- Solid construction method
- 5-year warranty
- Architectural services, earthworks, foundation slab, shell construction, plastered facade
- Carpentry, roofing work, windows and front door, heating/plumbing
- Drywall installation, electrical work, interior staircase, structural calculations with reinforcement plans, thermal insulation certificate
- 24 cm (9.5 inches) masonry using Poroton/Unipor blocks, interior masonry Poroton/Unipor 17.5 cm (7 inches) / 11.5 cm (4.5 inches)
- Plastered facade, roof frame construction as a gable roof, roof covering with glazed clay tiles (Creaton)
- Roof overhang made of plastic, windows and patio doors by Rehau with 6-chamber system
- Electric roller shutters, air source heat pump, chimney, underfloor heating in all rooms with individual room control (ground floor + upper floor)
- Circulation line with pump, electrical installations according to building specifications
- Interior plaster and screed works according to building specifications in all rooms
- Aluminum front door with side panel
Owner’s tasks:
Tile installation, painting, flooring, interior doors
The developer is asking for 203,750€ for this, and the plot costs 52,500€.
What would you criticize in the included services? Or is it solid and acceptable overall?
Thanks in advance for your input.
PS: I hope this is the right forum for this post, otherwise please feel free to move it 🙂
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Co2k_zhenka31 Jul 2018 07:32Hello,
thank you for your replies.
I have never heard of a "description of construction services" before, not even from the general contractors I have requested quotes from. How is one supposed to know about this? I also don’t think it’s always listed on the respective general contractor’s website (building checklist). No one said that we are unwilling to pay 300 € for a so-called construction services description review.
According to Google, it is a "technical construction review"?
@Bookstar why do you think the description of construction services doesn’t provide any meaningful information?
@kbt09: the plot is being sold by NLG.
So, I am supposed to create a detailed Excel sheet comparing all the received quotes side by side.
thank you for your replies.
I have never heard of a "description of construction services" before, not even from the general contractors I have requested quotes from. How is one supposed to know about this? I also don’t think it’s always listed on the respective general contractor’s website (building checklist). No one said that we are unwilling to pay 300 € for a so-called construction services description review.
According to Google, it is a "technical construction review"?
@Bookstar why do you think the description of construction services doesn’t provide any meaningful information?
@kbt09: the plot is being sold by NLG.
So, I am supposed to create a detailed Excel sheet comparing all the received quotes side by side.
Who is NLG? The homebuilding company?
Take a look at your brief construction specification (construction specification): Does it mention anything about the square meter area, number of floors, roof type, terrain shape of the plot (how much earthwork is required), etc.? No... so what does it actually tell you? Very little to nothing.
Then I definitely recommend reading:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/liste-der-anfallenden-baunebenkosten-bauseits-teurer.9737/
and after that:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/warum-ein-hausbau-fast-immer-teurer-kommt-als-kalkuliert.16237/
Take a look at your brief construction specification (construction specification): Does it mention anything about the square meter area, number of floors, roof type, terrain shape of the plot (how much earthwork is required), etc.? No... so what does it actually tell you? Very little to nothing.
Then I definitely recommend reading:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/liste-der-anfallenden-baunebenkosten-bauseits-teurer.9737/
and after that:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/warum-ein-hausbau-fast-immer-teurer-kommt-als-kalkuliert.16237/
Co2k_zhenka schrieb:
So, I’m supposed to create a detailed Excel spreadsheet comparing all the offers I’ve collected. Is there another way to determine the best value for money?
Co2k_zhenka schrieb:
@ Bookstar, why do you think the construction specifications don’t say anything useful? Think about it yourself. Can you tell from the text whether an air-to-water heat pump from Medion is installed? Do you want Medion or rather Sony? Is the heating capacity sufficient? Are the windows made of aluminum, plastic, or wood? Single-glazed or triple-glazed? Are the window profiles even compliant with energy-saving regulations?
Co2k_zhenka schrieb:
How are you supposed to know that? Read up, get informed, Google, compare, be proactive.
Honestly, it’s your construction project. If you mess it up due to a lack of initiative, it’s not the general contractor’s fault.
If the house and its quality don’t meet your expectations (and I mean that literally) because you did not carefully read the construction specifications and your imagination played tricks on you, then you can’t hold anyone accountable.
We have quite a few striking examples here where it happened that way. Feel free to add yourself to the list. :-p
If you want to build, doing some self-study first will be very helpful to establish a knowledge base.
Start by reading through the forum, then ask your questions that you haven’t been able to solve on your own so far.
You cannot naively organize or carry out a house construction just by relying on a forum behind the scenes.
And you can only compare local prices by getting additional quotes.
Yes, and you should calculate your own figures! Only then will you gain an overview and a better sense for prices 🙂
Start by reading through the forum, then ask your questions that you haven’t been able to solve on your own so far.
You cannot naively organize or carry out a house construction just by relying on a forum behind the scenes.
And you can only compare local prices by getting additional quotes.
Yes, and you should calculate your own figures! Only then will you gain an overview and a better sense for prices 🙂
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Co2k_zhenka31 Jul 2018 08:18Thanks for the links! 🙂
Co2k_zhenka schrieb:
So, I’m supposed to create a detailed Excel file comparing all the gathered quotes side by side. In humanist circles, people prefer to read complete sentences rather than expect insights from tables. Tables mainly do one thing: they narrow the focus to parametric aspects.
But feel free to have a go at it – this will clearly show how unstandardized these statements are and how difficult it is to sort apples and oranges in a table.
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