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Schnubbihh19 Aug 2024 13:49Dear community,
I would like to ask for your advice on how you would proceed in my situation.
Problem:
(1) Building permit / planning permission has been granted, and construction is scheduled to start in mid-September (1.5 stories, gable roof).
(2) During detailed and electrical planning, it became clear that the ceiling height is quite limited (2.43m (8 feet) on the ground floor and upper floor); this is my fault, as we did not really pay attention to ceiling height beforehand.
--> As a result, the sense of space will probably not be very pleasant, and the electrical planning will be quite complex since suspended ceilings are no longer an option.
The following options arise:
(1) Leave everything as it is and at least plan recessed boxes in the ceiling structure on the ground floor (around €1,500 (approx. $1,600) additional cost); use surface-mounted spotlights on the upper floor (bathroom).
- Disadvantage: Low ceiling height + possibly surface-mounted spots
- Disadvantage: Additional costs for the ceiling structure
- Disadvantage: Not very flexible for future changes
- Advantage: No risk regarding the building permit / planning permission
(2) Raise the ground floor by one brick row (12cm (5 inches)) and adjust the joist layer in the attic to gain height there as well; then install suspended ceilings for the electrical installation.
- Disadvantage: Not included in the current building permit / planning permission; however, there are no issues with setback distances or maximum heights according to the local development plan
- Disadvantage: Additional costs due to masonry work and suspending the ceiling (cost estimate pending)
- Advantage: Significantly easier and more flexible electrical installation
- Advantage: Better sense of space (recessed spotlights + approximately 3-4cm (1–1.5 inches) more headroom)
What would you decide?
I would like to ask for your advice on how you would proceed in my situation.
Problem:
(1) Building permit / planning permission has been granted, and construction is scheduled to start in mid-September (1.5 stories, gable roof).
(2) During detailed and electrical planning, it became clear that the ceiling height is quite limited (2.43m (8 feet) on the ground floor and upper floor); this is my fault, as we did not really pay attention to ceiling height beforehand.
--> As a result, the sense of space will probably not be very pleasant, and the electrical planning will be quite complex since suspended ceilings are no longer an option.
The following options arise:
(1) Leave everything as it is and at least plan recessed boxes in the ceiling structure on the ground floor (around €1,500 (approx. $1,600) additional cost); use surface-mounted spotlights on the upper floor (bathroom).
- Disadvantage: Low ceiling height + possibly surface-mounted spots
- Disadvantage: Additional costs for the ceiling structure
- Disadvantage: Not very flexible for future changes
- Advantage: No risk regarding the building permit / planning permission
(2) Raise the ground floor by one brick row (12cm (5 inches)) and adjust the joist layer in the attic to gain height there as well; then install suspended ceilings for the electrical installation.
- Disadvantage: Not included in the current building permit / planning permission; however, there are no issues with setback distances or maximum heights according to the local development plan
- Disadvantage: Additional costs due to masonry work and suspending the ceiling (cost estimate pending)
- Advantage: Significantly easier and more flexible electrical installation
- Advantage: Better sense of space (recessed spotlights + approximately 3-4cm (1–1.5 inches) more headroom)
What would you decide?
Clear-cut: build exactly as approved. A simple revision to the building permit / planning application won’t be enough—you forgot the staircase (or were you planning to make each step 8mm (0.3 inches) steeper?). This ceiling height isn’t for those worried about bumping their heads; it still fits Olivia Jones wearing high heels.
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Upstairs, I don’t find that too problematic, but a ceiling height of 2.43 meters (8 feet) on the ground floor in the open-plan area is quite low. Is that measurement taken with the floor covering included? Without submitting a change request, I wouldn’t risk raising the height. Could the staircase be given more space so it can also be adjusted accordingly?
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Aloha_Lars20 Aug 2024 10:39We have a clear ceiling height of about 2.40 meters (7 feet 10 inches) on the ground floor and 2.50 meters (8 feet 2 inches) upstairs. I don’t mind that, but of course it also depends a bit on the floor plan design.
I should mention, I’m over 1.90 meters tall (6 feet 3 inches) myself. But as I said, I’m not constantly worried about bumping my head ;-)
Regarding electrical work, I wouldn’t worry about it. Drill holes and lay empty conduits in the ceiling before the final concrete is poured. That way, you can pull cables through later.
Lights usually stay in one place anyway. So far, I haven’t met anyone who regularly opens their suspended ceiling to re-route lighting.
I should mention, I’m over 1.90 meters tall (6 feet 3 inches) myself. But as I said, I’m not constantly worried about bumping my head ;-)
Regarding electrical work, I wouldn’t worry about it. Drill holes and lay empty conduits in the ceiling before the final concrete is poured. That way, you can pull cables through later.
Lights usually stay in one place anyway. So far, I haven’t met anyone who regularly opens their suspended ceiling to re-route lighting.
Definitely option (1), and if option (2) is considered, only with an official building permit / planning permission; otherwise, it feels too uncertain to me.
The electrical planning isn’t that complex—as mentioned before—many others manage it with concrete ceilings as well, it’s standard practice 🙂 I wouldn’t overestimate the value of recessed downlights, since there are also attractive surface-mounted spotlights available.
However, a ceiling height increase by a few centimeters (inches) wouldn’t hurt, especially in large rooms. Personally, I still wouldn’t install a suspended ceiling in that case.
I would only consider option (1) if either
a) A permit is obtained first—depending on that, construction can start later
b) It can be guaranteed that a taller building is possible through a modification/architectural adjustment/new application. In that case, construction could begin initially, and the permit would follow afterward (clear agreements should be in place here about what is approvable and what is not).
The electrical planning isn’t that complex—as mentioned before—many others manage it with concrete ceilings as well, it’s standard practice 🙂 I wouldn’t overestimate the value of recessed downlights, since there are also attractive surface-mounted spotlights available.
However, a ceiling height increase by a few centimeters (inches) wouldn’t hurt, especially in large rooms. Personally, I still wouldn’t install a suspended ceiling in that case.
I would only consider option (1) if either
a) A permit is obtained first—depending on that, construction can start later
b) It can be guaranteed that a taller building is possible through a modification/architectural adjustment/new application. In that case, construction could begin initially, and the permit would follow afterward (clear agreements should be in place here about what is approvable and what is not).
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Schnubbihh20 Aug 2024 12:05Thank you very much for the previous answers. I would probably just call the building authority.
I’m just afraid that I won’t get any information over the phone and will be referred to submit a new building permit / planning application with a processing time of 3–4 months...
The staircase currently has 15 steps with a rise/run of 18.8cm/26cm (7.4 inches/10.2 inches). It should still work with an additional 8mm (0.3 inches), right?
I’m just afraid that I won’t get any information over the phone and will be referred to submit a new building permit / planning application with a processing time of 3–4 months...
The staircase currently has 15 steps with a rise/run of 18.8cm/26cm (7.4 inches/10.2 inches). It should still work with an additional 8mm (0.3 inches), right?
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