Hello everyone,
we are looking at a very spacious penthouse apartment on the third floor of a multi-family building, which we can almost completely customize thanks to the early stage of the project. However, we have a concern where we hope to rely on your extensive experience: The building is located directly on a busy village street. The architect doesn’t see this as a problem, for the following reasons:
In theory, these are all good points. But does anyone have concrete experience with such a situation? We are worried that when we dine or relax on this spacious terrace, we will constantly be surrounded by street noise. Of course, you will hear a motorcycle now and then, but what about regular street traffic?
Thank you very much for your help! Regards, Stefan
we are looking at a very spacious penthouse apartment on the third floor of a multi-family building, which we can almost completely customize thanks to the early stage of the project. However, we have a concern where we hope to rely on your extensive experience: The building is located directly on a busy village street. The architect doesn’t see this as a problem, for the following reasons:
- As part of the renovation of the nearby village square, the street will be resurfaced with a noise-reducing pavement. This should absorb most of the tire noise.
- The street will be downgraded from a cantonal road to a local road and converted into a 30 km/h (about 20 mph) zone.
- He further argues based on the sound cone. Since the building is so close to the street, the sound from the cars goes straight upward. We practically only hear something if we lean over the railing.
In theory, these are all good points. But does anyone have concrete experience with such a situation? We are worried that when we dine or relax on this spacious terrace, we will constantly be surrounded by street noise. Of course, you will hear a motorcycle now and then, but what about regular street traffic?
Thank you very much for your help! Regards, Stefan
hampshire schrieb:
The rolling noise increases disproportionately with speed. At 30 km/h (19 mph), the noise is so low that the effect of different smooth floor surfaces is no longer significant. You don’t need any proof for this; it’s basic physics.Take an electric car without a sound generator. You will be surprised how many people don’t notice you, since apart from the rolling noise, there is nothing to hear.
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hampshire10 Jun 2021 15:52haydee schrieb:
Get an electric car without a sound generator. You’ll be surprised how many people don’t notice you because, apart from the tire noise, there’s no sound.I often drive one of these. On parking lots, you can’t be heard, which I can confirm. While driving, I haven’t noticed any unusual behavior from other road users so far.Usually, people look before crossing the street. However, I have seen a pedestrian actually walk right into an electric car because there was no sound. Electric cars without sound are quieter. More and more people are driving electric. I have also been startled when someone suddenly passed me at 50 km/h (31 mph).
This was just given as a practical example to illustrate your explanation.
This was just given as a practical example to illustrate your explanation.
From my own experience, I know that there is hardly anything as subjective as the perception of noise.
I have lived for several years at a busy intersection, and it bothers me greatly. You don’t really get used to it. You are more likely to get used to church bells than traffic noise—starting vehicles at intersections, revving engines, noisy mopeds, trucks, buses, and in rural areas possibly farm machinery, etc.
You have to decide for yourself what you find disturbing, as well as your partner.
I wouldn’t pay any attention to what others say about "quiet" asphalt or similar claims.
I have lived for several years at a busy intersection, and it bothers me greatly. You don’t really get used to it. You are more likely to get used to church bells than traffic noise—starting vehicles at intersections, revving engines, noisy mopeds, trucks, buses, and in rural areas possibly farm machinery, etc.
You have to decide for yourself what you find disturbing, as well as your partner.
I wouldn’t pay any attention to what others say about "quiet" asphalt or similar claims.
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hampshire10 Jun 2021 17:08Georgie schrieb:
I wouldn’t pay any attention to other people’s talk about "quiet" asphalt and the like.No, it’s not just talk. From about 70 km/h (45 mph), the quiet porous "whisper" surfaces are effective, and at 130 km/h (80 mph) they reduce noise by approximately 6 dB. That corresponds to halving the sound pressure.