ᐅ Our New Construction Plan – What Are the Next Steps?

Created on: 23 Jul 2020 16:24
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Alverde
Hello everyone,

We’re starting to feel quite desperate and don’t know how to move forward. Here is the initial situation:

My husband and I want to build a new house on my parents’ property, where their house already stands. At the beginning of the year, we met with a local construction company. They referred us to an architect they work with. After he took two months to submit a preliminary building inquiry to the building authority (he simply forgot us twice!), we no longer want to work with him. The preliminary inquiry was just to get approval to extend the building envelope, so we could even build a second house on the property. We told the construction company that we didn’t want to continue with that architect, but they don’t seem very interested in working with us anymore, as they haven’t offered any next steps or suggested another architect. I suspect the construction company will only get involved if we come to them with a finished plan plus a building permit / planning permission.

Since we weren’t making progress, we turned to a large German builder specializing in solid construction, and we have already had several discussions with them. In the meantime, we received positive feedback on the preliminary inquiry, allowing us to build a one-and-a-half-story house with a pitched roof. So far, so good. The builder now wants to submit the building permit / planning application, but nothing is really finalized yet. We have a quote for a standard house from their catalog for €240,000. The sales advisor said we should first submit some basic details (external dimensions, position on the property, roof pitch, etc.), and the interior layout can be changed later. But if I realize the room layout doesn’t work inside, I’d have to change the external dimensions again, and that’s not so easy if it has already been approved differently, right? He also wants us to sign the construction contract before submitting the building permit application because the authorities need all details finalized. But I don’t want to sign a contract when the basic floor plan isn’t even clear, and the contract even lists individual electrical outlets!

I understand that they have already invested time and want to get paid eventually, but we feel a bit uneasy here. The advisor said they will include clauses in the contract so that if the permit is rejected or costs “explode” (which is subjective), we would not be bound by the contract.

I wanted to know if this is the “normal” procedure? Somehow I have the feeling we are on the completely wrong track... We already have a floor plan we like, which just needs to be refined, thus determining the external dimensions and so forth. But I get the impression the builder doesn’t want to deal with that because it’s too much work without knowing if they will actually get the contract. Or would it be better to look for an architect on our own, develop a concrete plan, and then approach building companies with that? We’re overwhelmed and already very frustrated because we’re not getting anywhere :-( We hoped to have a building permit by the end of the year with regard to the homebuyer subsidy, but somehow it looks like that’s slipping away...

Many thanks to everyone who read this, and maybe you have a tip on how we can move forward quickly and sensibly?
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Alverde
23 Jul 2020 16:54
DaSch17 schrieb:

First of all, stay calm. It’s definitely a very good idea to seek help here. The support you get in this forum is free, honest, and direct.

Please don’t let the deadline for the building grant / housing subsidy stress you out. Instead, assume for now that you won’t receive it. An average planning phase takes about 1 year. It’s important to take this time because everything else depends on the planning…

Building a house is a matter of trust. If you don’t trust the architect or the chemistry isn’t right, it was a good decision not to continue working together.

Your instincts are correct here as well! Under no circumstances should you sign anything here. The person is deliberately applying pressure to close the deal.

At the beginning, your gut feeling is what you should rely on—especially when you are a complete novice. So trust your instincts and make a clear demand to the prefabricated house manufacturer: either detailed floor plan planning first and then signing, or goodbye.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of large and small providers who do most of the preliminary planning for free. That was the case for us. But it’s also important that you put enough thought and effort in yourselves.
Also, the forum can help if you want to have a floor plan discussed objectively.

If I were you, I would first take a breath, break off contact with the solid house manufacturer, and calmly research smaller local general contractors (both solid construction and timber frame) as well as a few larger reputable single-family home manufacturers, then start over.

Keep your head up!

Thank you so much :-(
We’re just so frustrated because we’ve basically been throwing money around for months but don’t feel properly supported anywhere. We are complete beginners and don’t know the processes or practical ways to proceed. We really need someone to “take us by the hand.” The topic of building a house has been on our minds for about 3 years now, but we’ve had to change our plans many times because of the market situation (plots too expensive or simply unavailable). Now the “last resort” is to build on my parents’ land. My husband has reached a point where he almost doesn’t care anymore and just wants to take a standard house from a prefabricated house supplier. I estimate that I have already spent at least 100 hours fiddling with different floor plans…

But you’re probably right—it’s really better to take a deep breath first…
Tolentino23 Jul 2020 16:57
Oh, and regarding building on someone else’s land, there is a thread here that you might want to take a look at.

Sorry if I’m causing more confusion, but the situation isn’t critical yet...

https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/haus-auf-Grundstück-der-eltern-erbschaftsprobleme.33972/

The bottom line is: The house would not be yours, even if you paid for it.
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Alverde
23 Jul 2020 16:57
11ant schrieb:

That’s good, and using a “dummy” won’t get you anywhere either, as it doesn’t make sense for a formal building permit / planning permission application.

My lawyer advises me not to mention which of my friends would receive a visit because of that ruling.

There isn’t really a “standard” procedure when building in the (in-law) parents’ garden. However, you’re not an isolated case, and many others like you have already been helped here.
1. Fill out the questionnaire at the top of the floor plan section.
2. Include a site plan or similar documentation of the plot.
3. Submit your own draft floor plan, hand-drawn sketches are perfectly fine.
Then it will become clear which professionals you’ll need to involve going forward.


Okay, I’ll sit down this evening and post something here. I hadn’t dared to before because most of the plans here were already properly measured, etc., and so far we have only been experimenting with Roomsketcher.
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Alverde
23 Jul 2020 16:59
Tolentino schrieb:

Oh, and regarding building on "someone else's" land, there is a thread here that you might want to check out.
Sorry if this causes even more confusion, but the situation isn’t hopeless yet...

https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/haus-auf-Grundstück-der-eltern-erbschaftsprobleme.33972/

The bottom line is: The house would not legally belong to you, even if you paid for it.


This issue becomes even more complicated because the plot is a leasehold property owned by the church, but I thought that would go too far off-topic here... We once asked the church in principle if we could build a second house on the land. Basically, they didn’t object, but of course, you need a concrete plan to get a definite yes or no.
11ant23 Jul 2020 17:03
Alverde schrieb:

I estimate that I've already spent at least 100 hours working on various floor plans...
Alverde schrieb:

I hadn’t dared to share anything in the past few months because most plans here already had detailed dimensions and so on, and we had only been experimenting with Roomsketcher so far
If you have already spent a lot of time working on it, then sure, but otherwise
Alverde schrieb:

We are simply laypeople,
in my opinion that’s more of a reason to use graph paper rather than software.
Alverde schrieb:

The situation becomes even more complicated because the plot is a church leasehold, but I thought that would be too much to get into here... We had basically asked the church whether we could build a second house on it. Fundamentally, there is no objection, but they would, of course, need a concrete plan to say yes or no...
In that case, discussing an extension late on should definitely be avoided.
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haydee
23 Jul 2020 17:06
It’s not that simple with just any prefab house.

Take it step by step. You’ll manage. You can get help here as well.

I believe every builder reaches a point where everything feels overwhelming.