Hello dear house building friends,
We hope to get started soon. We are building with a developer. The house (mid-terrace house with 2 floors plus attic conversion, no basement) is planned so far. However, now come my extras that I will add or have installed.
Now I would like to know from you what you absolutely recommend having installed in a house from your point of view, or things that frustrate you because you didn’t include them from the start.
So, I’ll start with what’s on my list.
Thank you very much
We hope to get started soon. We are building with a developer. The house (mid-terrace house with 2 floors plus attic conversion, no basement) is planned so far. However, now come my extras that I will add or have installed.
Now I would like to know from you what you absolutely recommend having installed in a house from your point of view, or things that frustrate you because you didn’t include them from the start.
So, I’ll start with what’s on my list.
- KNX bus cables
- at every power outlet in the house
- at specific spots for temperature sensors
- inside the roller shutter boxes
- outside for the awning
- outside at the carport for motion detectors
- possibly also for cistern level monitoring
- Network cables
- at the TV
- outside on the roof for a dome camera
- outside in the garden shed
- in every room
- on the first floor, upper wall for an access point
- at the awning for the weather station
- under the roof
- Conduit for electric vehicle charging system at the carport
- Mechanical ventilation in the bathroom and laundry room
- Empty conduits for photovoltaic system
- Separate water lines for toilet / cistern / well
- Well in the garden plus pipe running to the front of the house for the cistern
Thank you very much
KNX also at the switches and heating controllers...
Possibly visualization for KNX? Then also LAN there.
LAN at the electric vehicle charging station.
Controlled mechanical ventilation throughout the entire house.
Only one camera? Have you really thought about that? A roof-mounted camera is useless because it’s too high...
LAN for the access point on the ceiling. One is not enough. Minimum two. Possibly another one for the garden.
Check the search function. In recent days there have been several discussions about networks and access points.
There is a good forum for KNX.
From your list, it seems you haven’t dealt much with automation yet. Motion detectors in the house, weather stations, etc., are still missing.
What exactly do you want to achieve? Do you want to install and program it yourself? Then you will also need an ETS license.
Overall, this still sounds more like a collection of ideas rather than an actual plan...
Possibly visualization for KNX? Then also LAN there.
LAN at the electric vehicle charging station.
Controlled mechanical ventilation throughout the entire house.
Only one camera? Have you really thought about that? A roof-mounted camera is useless because it’s too high...
LAN for the access point on the ceiling. One is not enough. Minimum two. Possibly another one for the garden.
Check the search function. In recent days there have been several discussions about networks and access points.
There is a good forum for KNX.
From your list, it seems you haven’t dealt much with automation yet. Motion detectors in the house, weather stations, etc., are still missing.
What exactly do you want to achieve? Do you want to install and program it yourself? Then you will also need an ETS license.
Overall, this still sounds more like a collection of ideas rather than an actual plan...
Hi Rick,
thanks for your response. Yes, it’s still the idea phase, planning will only start in two months.
For the camera, I’ve chosen the Dome Cam Hikvision DS-2DE4225IW-DE, which already has a fairly long range. The second camera would be in the doorbell. I think that will be enough. I already included LAN for the weather station. I’m not sure if I want to install motion detectors at all. I don’t want full automation either. I also mentioned LAN in the garden shed for the second access point. From my point of view, one access point on the first floor is enough. If I put a Cisco Aironet 1830 there, it should be sufficient; I need VLANs anyway, and from my experience it has enough dB. I don’t want too many APs because of the radiation. Besides, I also have my “rack” in the ground floor, where I can connect an additional access point.
I was originally thinking about the GIRA Homeserver but I’m still undecided because it’s expensive for the older hardware.
I would like to set it up myself. But whether to use a Raspberry Pi or the GIRA Homeserver, I still have to consider.
Thanks a lot
Garm
thanks for your response. Yes, it’s still the idea phase, planning will only start in two months.
For the camera, I’ve chosen the Dome Cam Hikvision DS-2DE4225IW-DE, which already has a fairly long range. The second camera would be in the doorbell. I think that will be enough. I already included LAN for the weather station. I’m not sure if I want to install motion detectors at all. I don’t want full automation either. I also mentioned LAN in the garden shed for the second access point. From my point of view, one access point on the first floor is enough. If I put a Cisco Aironet 1830 there, it should be sufficient; I need VLANs anyway, and from my experience it has enough dB. I don’t want too many APs because of the radiation. Besides, I also have my “rack” in the ground floor, where I can connect an additional access point.
I was originally thinking about the GIRA Homeserver but I’m still undecided because it’s expensive for the older hardware.
I would like to set it up myself. But whether to use a Raspberry Pi or the GIRA Homeserver, I still have to consider.
Thanks a lot
Garm
rick2018 schrieb:
Knx also on the switches, heating controllers....
Maybe visualization for Knx? Also LAN there.
LAN at the electric vehicle charging station.
Controlled residential ventilation throughout the house.
Only one camera? Have you considered this? The roof is no use as it’s too high...
LAN for access points on the ceiling. One is too few. Minimum 2. Possibly another one for the garden.
Check the search function. There have been several discussions recently about networks and APs.
There is a good forum for Knx.
From your list, it seems you haven’t looked much into automation yet. Motion detectors, weather station, etc. are still missing.
What exactly do you want to achieve? Do you want to install and program it yourself? Then you will also need an ETS license.
Overall, it still sounds more like idea collection than actual planning so far....
We will also go with Gira ourselves, although it is somewhat limited in certain aspects.
We already have a Gira system, so we only need one app, and my wife is familiar with the visualization. 😉
If you enjoy programming, you can also use another server or run a VM on your NAS.
Depending on your weather station, you might also need KNX on the roof.
I would at least install motion sensors along all walkways.
Since you don’t want to automate much, I would question whether KNX makes sense at all. It can probably be done more cost-effectively with conventional solutions.
Maybe the smaller solution with G1 and X1 is enough for you.
One access point can cover your whole house, but not with 5 GHz. This means you will mostly be using the slower 2.4 GHz network.
Cisco is expensive and unattractive 🙂 and still very slow. Take a look at Unifi—it’s more than sufficient for home use.
Your phone emits more radiation than a hotspot. You either want coverage or no radiation…
Placing the access point near the rack does not make much sense. Usually, there is a door in between. Access points should be installed where they are needed—in living areas and the office, for example.
The same applies outdoors. Not in the shed, but outside.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/neubau-anschluss-verkabelung-internet-tv.30184/
and
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/hausnetzwerkverkabelung-mit-poe-acces-points.30257/
The camera is definitely not bad. However, the issue is not how far it can see. The spotlight won’t reach far at night anyway, so you would need additional spotlights.
The problem is the angle of view. From the roof, it is too steep, so face recognition is not possible. As soon as someone wears a hoodie, cap, or hat, you won’t be able to see anything at all.
We already have a Gira system, so we only need one app, and my wife is familiar with the visualization. 😉
If you enjoy programming, you can also use another server or run a VM on your NAS.
Depending on your weather station, you might also need KNX on the roof.
I would at least install motion sensors along all walkways.
Since you don’t want to automate much, I would question whether KNX makes sense at all. It can probably be done more cost-effectively with conventional solutions.
Maybe the smaller solution with G1 and X1 is enough for you.
One access point can cover your whole house, but not with 5 GHz. This means you will mostly be using the slower 2.4 GHz network.
Cisco is expensive and unattractive 🙂 and still very slow. Take a look at Unifi—it’s more than sufficient for home use.
Your phone emits more radiation than a hotspot. You either want coverage or no radiation…
Placing the access point near the rack does not make much sense. Usually, there is a door in between. Access points should be installed where they are needed—in living areas and the office, for example.
The same applies outdoors. Not in the shed, but outside.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/neubau-anschluss-verkabelung-internet-tv.30184/
and
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/hausnetzwerkverkabelung-mit-poe-acces-points.30257/
The camera is definitely not bad. However, the issue is not how far it can see. The spotlight won’t reach far at night anyway, so you would need additional spotlights.
The problem is the angle of view. From the roof, it is too steep, so face recognition is not possible. As soon as someone wears a hoodie, cap, or hat, you won’t be able to see anything at all.
Motion detectors and presence detectors are what really make the whole system smart. Without them, it’s basically just a conventional system implemented as KNX.
I would recommend planning for a connection for a second access point. If one isn’t enough, you can easily add a second one later.
I would recommend planning for a connection for a second access point. If one isn’t enough, you can easily add a second one later.
In my opinion, KNX is simply way too expensive for the benefits it offers.
What you want can also be achieved using targeted smart components for just a fraction of the cost of KNX.
You can then invest the money you save in a nicer kitchen or whatever else.
Otherwise, I think your plans are good.
Make sure to have at least double sockets everywhere for the network, and even more at the TV locations. Consider an alternative position for the TV? Then put sockets there too.
Don’t forget the kitchen.
What you want can also be achieved using targeted smart components for just a fraction of the cost of KNX.
You can then invest the money you save in a nicer kitchen or whatever else.
Otherwise, I think your plans are good.
Make sure to have at least double sockets everywhere for the network, and even more at the TV locations. Consider an alternative position for the TV? Then put sockets there too.
Don’t forget the kitchen.