ᐅ Sell the entire property or opt for a partial sale with reinvestment?

Created on: 10 Jun 2018 13:41
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kaho674
There is a large property in the family located in the center of Dresden. It is a residential area—surrounded by 6-story or even taller new apartment buildings. The land is currently occupied by a very old factory building. The owners do not have the funds to demolish this building and replace it with modern new construction. On the other hand, the ongoing costs and rental income are just about breaking even. If income continues to decline, the property could financially ruin the family.

So the question is what should happen with this "factory land." It is quite certain that it could be completely redeveloped since there are multi-family buildings all around. Adjacent to this land is the family’s own business property (including land), which is not intended to be sold as it is their livelihood.

The immediate idea was, of course, to sell the entire factory land. Its value is estimated at around 1-2 million (minus demolition costs), without going into details here. The money could be taken, divided among the family, and essentially spent without long-term benefit.

However, there are also grandchildren who are struggling to establish themselves in Dresden. The family would like to support them over the long term and believes that a rental property would be ideal. Coincidentally, the grandchildren are trained in property management and could help oversee the project.

So the idea came up to sell only part of the land to gain liquidity, demolish the old building, and construct a multi-family house—ideally in collaboration with an investor who would buy and develop the other half. Of course, everything would need to be carefully calculated to see if this is feasible and if the land will generate enough value.

Is something like this possible, or is it just a scam? What would you do?
11ant10 Oct 2018 11:24
kaho674 schrieb:
The discussion is about dividing the total floor area (680m² gross) into 8 or 6 residential units.
Wasn't there talk recently about much larger numbers? Is this now the area per floor?

You also need to distinguish between a property intended for renting out yourself and one meant for subdividing and selling as individual condominiums.
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kaho67410 Oct 2018 11:36
680m² (7306 sq ft) is the approximate footprint of the existing building—the documentation dates back to 1942. The building currently has 4 floors (totaling 2720m² (29,253 sq ft)), but it might be possible to add another storey on top.

OT: Speaking of 1942: IG Farben comes to mind. Creepy texts and plans showing security staff and prisoner rooms from Nazi times. That’s really intense.
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Caspar2020
10 Oct 2018 11:49
kaho674 schrieb:
Greetings from IG Farben
kaho674 schrieb:
That is really extreme.

For you, the more relevant question should be to what extent the buildings/floors are still contaminated today.
kaho67410 Oct 2018 12:02
I believe we have already discussed this topic. There are no legacy issues.
Unless you consider the moral reprehensibility of forced labor as such here. However, that happened long before our time.

I was not aware that building materials were rationed during the war. The renovation was only possible because it became a strategic wartime facility (originally, the building is even older). Every brick and every nail (literally!) was counted, applied for, and approved.

What is a major problem, however, is the groundwater. The site is located in a basin next to a huge former clay pit, which acts like an underground lake. Groundwater is already being permanently drained. But as soon as you dig into the ground, water immediately starts seeping in again.

Therefore, a basement is probably not advisable...
11ant10 Oct 2018 14:05
kaho674 schrieb:
The building could only be renovated because it became a business important to the war effort (originally, it is even older).

The wall thickness also suggests that it was built before the introduction of the Reich format.
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kaho67415 Oct 2018 14:55
Can anyone recommend a type of stone that has excellent sound insulation and is also very lightweight? Or to put it another way, what kind of stones are commonly used nowadays for separating apartments when weight needs to be kept low?