ᐅ Looking for a single-family house with the gable side facing the street, 8.5 meters wide
Created on: 10 May 2019 09:16
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SteffenM
Hello everyone!
I have been reading along here a few times over the past weeks and first of all, thank you for your passive support so far.
Last week, we were unexpectedly offered a plot of land in a new development near us because the previous interested party dropped out. The plot is just over 400sqm (4300 sq ft) with a perfect southwest-facing garden orientation. It’s located quite ideally for us and also well within the development area. So, we have reserved the plot for now.
Unfortunately, we have a relatively tight building envelope of 8.5m (28 ft) by 14m (46 ft). The 8.5m (28 ft) is the width along the street, and according to the land-use plan (building permit / planning permission), the house must be built with the eaves facing the street. This means the roof structure can only be 8.5m (28 ft) long.
Yesterday, we had our first consultation with Viebrockhaus and first realized how expensive house building really is. We had roughly estimated about €300,000 before. However, it was not clear to us until now what additional costs beyond house and land would be expected.
Unfortunately, with Viebrockhaus alone, we are charged €25,000 just for rotating the roof (eaves-facing is not standard). With what is by no means a generously sized house, including €95,000 for the plot, we are looking at over €500,000 in total—almost all costs included. That was quite a shock for us yesterday.
Both of us actually earn rather well but were still a bit stunned by how much a single-family house costs here. Is Viebrockhaus really that overpriced, or should we expect similar prices from other providers?
I am curious if there are significantly cheaper options elsewhere while still maintaining good quality.
Our envisioned house layout is as follows:
Ground floor: Open kitchen/dining/living area with a utility/laundry room adjacent to the kitchen, guest WC, and a small office (~9sqm / 97 sq ft).
Upper floor: 2 children’s bedrooms, master bedroom, bathroom
We would also like a third gable on the upper floor (this was not included in the Viebrockhaus price and added €16,000).
Overall, the specification and floor plan are rather standard.
Does anyone have recommendations for decent alternatives around the Viersen/Mönchengladbach/Krefeld area?
Best regards,
SteffenM
I have been reading along here a few times over the past weeks and first of all, thank you for your passive support so far.
Last week, we were unexpectedly offered a plot of land in a new development near us because the previous interested party dropped out. The plot is just over 400sqm (4300 sq ft) with a perfect southwest-facing garden orientation. It’s located quite ideally for us and also well within the development area. So, we have reserved the plot for now.
Unfortunately, we have a relatively tight building envelope of 8.5m (28 ft) by 14m (46 ft). The 8.5m (28 ft) is the width along the street, and according to the land-use plan (building permit / planning permission), the house must be built with the eaves facing the street. This means the roof structure can only be 8.5m (28 ft) long.
Yesterday, we had our first consultation with Viebrockhaus and first realized how expensive house building really is. We had roughly estimated about €300,000 before. However, it was not clear to us until now what additional costs beyond house and land would be expected.
Unfortunately, with Viebrockhaus alone, we are charged €25,000 just for rotating the roof (eaves-facing is not standard). With what is by no means a generously sized house, including €95,000 for the plot, we are looking at over €500,000 in total—almost all costs included. That was quite a shock for us yesterday.
Both of us actually earn rather well but were still a bit stunned by how much a single-family house costs here. Is Viebrockhaus really that overpriced, or should we expect similar prices from other providers?
I am curious if there are significantly cheaper options elsewhere while still maintaining good quality.
Our envisioned house layout is as follows:
Ground floor: Open kitchen/dining/living area with a utility/laundry room adjacent to the kitchen, guest WC, and a small office (~9sqm / 97 sq ft).
Upper floor: 2 children’s bedrooms, master bedroom, bathroom
We would also like a third gable on the upper floor (this was not included in the Viebrockhaus price and added €16,000).
Overall, the specification and floor plan are rather standard.
Does anyone have recommendations for decent alternatives around the Viersen/Mönchengladbach/Krefeld area?
Best regards,
SteffenM
SteffenM schrieb:
Hi!
Thanks for the tip! Unfortunately, it doesn’t quite fit. The roof structure is 9.13m (30 feet) long, but only 8.50m (28 feet) is possible. So the roof would have to be rotated again.
Best regards, Steffen Can’t you just shorten the house to 8.50m (28 feet)? That would also give a small credit.
hampshire schrieb:
You were probably at the Viebrockhaus show homes in Kaarst. These are priced according to the local market level. I know a builder who works as a general contractor with a fixed price for friends and their daughter, and has already built reliable, fair, and affordable houses in brick within the Viersen district. Feel free to send me a private message, and I’ll be happy to connect you. I’m sure you can take a look at one of the houses in Niederkrüchten. I would like to take up the offer, but I can’t send a private message because I have fewer than 100 posts.
Andre77 schrieb:
Can’t you just shorten the house to 8.50m (28 feet)? That would also give you a small credit back. Sure, that’s probably possible, but I’m reluctant to reduce the size of a house that only has 110 square meters (1184 square feet) of living space by another 60cm (2 feet).
Thanks to the others as well for your tips, including the detached semi-detached house option. For now, we have contacted the architect who built my sister-in-law’s house about 10 years ago. He still works as a general contractor and was good and affordable back then. We’ll see what he suggests and then also check with a few other providers.
A quick update on our search: Viebrockhaus offered a KfW 40 plus house (modified Maxime 305) for €358,000.
We have now contacted an architect who has already built for friends and relatives. His offer as a general contractor with a fixed price for KfW 55 is €239,000. Of course, you can’t directly compare KfW 40 plus with 55, and Viebrockhaus includes more complete and higher-quality features, but for us, this will be the better option.
We are adding a controlled residential ventilation system with heat recovery for an additional €10,000 and will have him start the planning to see how far we are from KfW 40 efficiency. If it can be achieved with minor adjustments, we will pursue it to qualify for the subsidy. If not, we will stick with KfW 55.
We have now contacted an architect who has already built for friends and relatives. His offer as a general contractor with a fixed price for KfW 55 is €239,000. Of course, you can’t directly compare KfW 40 plus with 55, and Viebrockhaus includes more complete and higher-quality features, but for us, this will be the better option.
We are adding a controlled residential ventilation system with heat recovery for an additional €10,000 and will have him start the planning to see how far we are from KfW 40 efficiency. If it can be achieved with minor adjustments, we will pursue it to qualify for the subsidy. If not, we will stick with KfW 55.
Nordlys schrieb:
Viebrockhaus only shines in the brochure now. Don’t be fooled, choosing the local general contractor was a good decision. K. That’s exactly it. A friend of mine who is a construction manager works at Viebrockhaus. He himself is surprised that people are willing to spend so much more money. The only difference is that problems are resolved faster and with more goodwill there. But if I earn over 100,000 euros (about 110,000 USD) more per house, I can also afford to hire 5 or 50 more people who are solely dedicated to that.
In terms of materials and such, they are on the same level as other providers. And for a six-figure sum, I’d rather have a few discussions or wait a few weeks for my window to be repaired.
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DerDustin4 Jul 2019 10:30We have had meetings with six different home builders so far, and all were consistently positive. Unfortunately, we cannot say the same about Viebrockhaus.
We were willing to invest a good amount of money, but Mr. S. (Viebrockhaus) showed no interest in us or our needs from the very beginning. We were even advised by Mr. S. (Viebrockhaus) to buy our sanitary fittings on eBay and the light switches on Amazon...
Additionally, there was an arrogance displayed that we have not experienced with any other builder. All other builders were criticized, and only Viebrockhaus was presented as the best. Very poor marketing.
As the “fairest provider,” we do not find it acceptable to withhold clear communication about what is included.
For example, the poor performance of the photovoltaic system or the excessively high prices for special requests (T-wall in the bathroom, guest toilet shower).
I believe we would not have had such a negative impression if it weren’t for everything Mr. S. (Viebrockhaus) did.
We were willing to invest a good amount of money, but Mr. S. (Viebrockhaus) showed no interest in us or our needs from the very beginning. We were even advised by Mr. S. (Viebrockhaus) to buy our sanitary fittings on eBay and the light switches on Amazon...
Additionally, there was an arrogance displayed that we have not experienced with any other builder. All other builders were criticized, and only Viebrockhaus was presented as the best. Very poor marketing.
As the “fairest provider,” we do not find it acceptable to withhold clear communication about what is included.
For example, the poor performance of the photovoltaic system or the excessively high prices for special requests (T-wall in the bathroom, guest toilet shower).
I believe we would not have had such a negative impression if it weren’t for everything Mr. S. (Viebrockhaus) did.
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