ᐅ Is it feasible to carry out interior electrical installation as a DIY project?
Created on: 20 Apr 2018 21:40
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HausbauTiNa
Hello everyone,
We have purchased a plot of land and plan to build a single-family house with a gable roof and two dormers using a general contractor.
A brief introduction about myself:
I am an electrical engineer, trained as an electrician before my studies, and currently work as a project manager on large-scale projects for the construction of substations (including construction management).
We have received the initial offers from the general contractors and now intend the following:
Self-contracting:
Interior plastering
Tile installation
Bathroom finishing (bathtub, etc.)
Staircase
Owner’s work:
Electrical installation
Installing interior doors
We chose these trades for self-contracting because we see minimal interfaces with the trades to be performed by the general contractor. The idea is to carry out the electrical installation “at our own pace” according to our requirements and then have the interior plastering done by a specialist company under self-contracting. After that, tiles would be installed and bathrooms finished (there are family contacts in the specialist trade for this).
What do you think about this approach, and what risks do you see (apart from the issue of warranty)? Where do you foresee interface problems?
Did you also exclude the staircase in similar situations?
We have purchased a plot of land and plan to build a single-family house with a gable roof and two dormers using a general contractor.
A brief introduction about myself:
I am an electrical engineer, trained as an electrician before my studies, and currently work as a project manager on large-scale projects for the construction of substations (including construction management).
We have received the initial offers from the general contractors and now intend the following:
Self-contracting:
Interior plastering
Tile installation
Bathroom finishing (bathtub, etc.)
Staircase
Owner’s work:
Electrical installation
Installing interior doors
We chose these trades for self-contracting because we see minimal interfaces with the trades to be performed by the general contractor. The idea is to carry out the electrical installation “at our own pace” according to our requirements and then have the interior plastering done by a specialist company under self-contracting. After that, tiles would be installed and bathrooms finished (there are family contacts in the specialist trade for this).
What do you think about this approach, and what risks do you see (apart from the issue of warranty)? Where do you foresee interface problems?
Did you also exclude the staircase in similar situations?
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HausbauTiNa21 Apr 2018 14:34Many thanks to all of you for the valuable input and the lively discussion.
You can find my answers in red. --> Also inside the quotes, please expand them.
A global electrical corporation --> Do we know each other?
--> That is more likely. Are there any experiences here with this division? I couldn’t find anything suitable directly via search.
You can find my answers in red. --> Also inside the quotes, please expand them.
saar2and schrieb:
For the electrical installation, you definitely need a certified electrician for the meter replacement application and inspection.
--> That is in place.
Otherwise, your plan looks good. Possibly install empty conduits in the floor before the screed layer if pipes are planned to run there.
Are you aiming for a smart home?
If yes, which system are you considering?
--> It was not originally planned. However, a friend recently installed Loxone, and it looks interesting. I am currently researching this direction.
A personal question:
Which company do you work for? [emoji4]
A global electrical corporation --> Do we know each other?
ruppsn schrieb:--> Yes, I get the materials through wholesale, which makes it appealing.
Electrical installation calmly could be interesting; if conduits are to go into the ceiling, they have to be done no matter what. If you can/want to place everything on the bare floor, that should work too, but you are still dependent on the screed and plaster work. Interior plaster usually comes before the screed, right?
At our place, electricians, HVAC, and plumbing are sometimes on-site at the same time, which is very practical because they can talk and find solutions together. But that doesn’t mean that electrical installation alone isn’t possible. From what I remember, some have done it here. You can definitely save a lot of money. Given your prerequisites, I would really opt for a bus system, preferably KNX, since you mostly only pay the difference in material costs. Man, how much money I could save there... [emoji6]
Maria16 schrieb:
Our shell contractor wanted (and got) the conduits installed on the precast concrete ceiling "immediately." Twice he managed to get the precast ceiling in place before the weekend; the last ceiling, which luckily didn’t require that much installation, arrived on a Tuesday afternoon, and we were ready from early afternoon.
It was already mentioned that the screed usually comes after the plaster. But the underfloor heating must also be installed between plastering and screed. Also, you could completely disrupt your general contractor’s (GC's) schedule if electrical installation in the finished shell and plastering keep getting pushed back. --> Good point, thanks
I don’t see “few” interfaces with a GC, but actually two important milestones affecting you: the electrical installation and the plastering.
Then the following questions remain:
- Who will install the other flooring? If the GC does this (which I doubt), that also depends on the screed --> Not the GC, will be contracted separately.
- Which staircase do you want? Build-up heights need careful planning, and it must also be clarified whether/ who provides a construction staircase --> Wooden staircase; the construction staircase is a good point, we are currently clarifying.
- Is there even a GC who allows such extensive subcontracting? (We only had one conversation; windows and doors were still okay, but more than that, not really) --> Being clarified. There are different approaches. Some GCs currently prefer to do just the shell due to owner’s share and volume of projects --> Coordination of other trades involves low margin for high effort/risk.
--> Have you considered contracting individual trades?
--> Yes, we have considered it. However, based on professional experience, I hesitate to rely solely on one person, meaning the architect. I lack the construction background for a single-family house to fully assess their work. A specification with gaps then becomes a risk we want to avoid.
Also, we don’t want to represent or clarify interfaces, for example between the carpenter and the mason, which I can’t technically evaluate. And since there are ALWAYS challenges in every project, there will be issues there.
--> Possibly also with an extended shell contract (earthworks / possibly basement / shell / roof including roofing from one source)
--> That is more likely. Are there any experiences here with this division? I couldn’t find anything suitable directly via search.
Alex85 schrieb:
Electrical work in a relaxed manner ... I don’t think there is anything relaxed about that.
If you want to run conduits in the ceiling, you have to pull your pipes after formwork and before pouring or after precast elements and before pouring. But even if you lay them on the floor and drill through the ceiling, everyone else waits for you. Insulation for screed, underfloor heating, and screed can’t be done before you’re finished, and the plasterer won’t come if you haven’t installed the boxes.
Coordination with water and ventilation installation, if present and under the screed, is necessary at least for the routing.
--> Thanks for the hint about the screed. I was just looking into that in parallel because I expected as much. That’s the answer.
So if you do it, it might be better to include the screed in the package, but that also shifts warranty risk related to the underfloor heating.
So no dawdling if you don’t want to delay the entire project.
ares83 schrieb:--> He certainly won’t take the risk, or if at all, only for a fee.
Electrical tasks are really tightly scheduled with many GCs. It means you basically have to get the cables into the ceiling spontaneously on the day, and then deliver. Will your GC take the risk if you don’t deliver?
With our general contractor, we simply scheduled more time for the electrical work in advance. This wasn’t a problem since the appointments with the tradespeople were then planned accordingly. We were hardly ever behind schedule, and if we were, the general contractor handled it very flexibly.
I would definitely suggest addressing the first point.
Regards
I would definitely suggest addressing the first point.
Regards
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HausbauTiNa21 Apr 2018 14:55ONeill schrieb:
With our general contractor (GC), we simply scheduled more time in advance for the electrical work, which wasn’t a problem since the appointments with the tradespeople were planned around that. We were rarely behind schedule, and when we were, the GC handled it very flexibly.
I would definitely bring up the first point.
RegardsThank you for your input. How many days did you schedule for this, and how many person-hours were spent? --> Yes, this depends on the construction and house, but I’m looking for a rough guideline.
Did you work alongside other trades in parallel?