Hello,
Matter is about to launch, and it already looks very promising that the standard will establish itself in the long term and replace the older systems (especially the isolated solutions).
My question is: Which smart lights would you recommend for Matter?
Lights: complete lamps, bulbs, light strips, etc.
Matter mainly relies on the wireless standard Thread, but Wi-Fi and other wireless standards can also be integrated via bridges.
The largest and best-known provider is Philips Hue. However, Philips Hue has already announced that they will continue to use Zigbee and do not plan to incorporate Thread. Matter compatibility will be achieved through the Hue Bridge.
Which lamps would you recommend?
Would you use Philips Hue despite Zigbee and work with two wireless standards (Zigbee for the lamps and the rest with Thread)?
For light switches, I like the Eve Light Switch (wireless standard Thread). Alternatively, you could also use Friends of Hue switches or standard Zigbee light switches.
Matter is about to launch, and it already looks very promising that the standard will establish itself in the long term and replace the older systems (especially the isolated solutions).
My question is: Which smart lights would you recommend for Matter?
Lights: complete lamps, bulbs, light strips, etc.
Matter mainly relies on the wireless standard Thread, but Wi-Fi and other wireless standards can also be integrated via bridges.
The largest and best-known provider is Philips Hue. However, Philips Hue has already announced that they will continue to use Zigbee and do not plan to incorporate Thread. Matter compatibility will be achieved through the Hue Bridge.
Which lamps would you recommend?
Would you use Philips Hue despite Zigbee and work with two wireless standards (Zigbee for the lamps and the rest with Thread)?
For light switches, I like the Eve Light Switch (wireless standard Thread). Alternatively, you could also use Friends of Hue switches or standard Zigbee light switches.
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FrankChief16 Nov 2022 07:30No, KNX is not possible.
We have to go with wireless.
@rick2018 Yes, you’re basically right, but that only applies to regular lamps.
If the lamp is dimmable or should be capable of color lighting, then it has to be “smart.”
Philips Hue, for example, always needs to be connected to constant power (because of the mesh network and so that the bridge can control the lamps).
Wi-Fi: Are Wi-Fi lamps really good? Don’t they overload your Wi-Fi network? How are the switch-on times or response times of Wi-Fi lamps?
Why do you think Matter won’t become widespread?
All manufacturers (as far as I know, except Homematic IP) have joined the Matter project and have either made or will make their old “isolated solutions” compatible with Matter (mostly via their own hub).
Some examples of well-known brands: Apple, Google, Amazon, Eve, Bosch, Aqara, Ikea, etc.
If Matter won’t become widespread, or if, based on the participating companies, it is not supposed to become widespread, why have these companies worked together for so long and agreed on the Thread wireless standard?
They could have saved themselves that time.
We have to go with wireless.
@rick2018 Yes, you’re basically right, but that only applies to regular lamps.
If the lamp is dimmable or should be capable of color lighting, then it has to be “smart.”
Philips Hue, for example, always needs to be connected to constant power (because of the mesh network and so that the bridge can control the lamps).
Wi-Fi: Are Wi-Fi lamps really good? Don’t they overload your Wi-Fi network? How are the switch-on times or response times of Wi-Fi lamps?
Why do you think Matter won’t become widespread?
All manufacturers (as far as I know, except Homematic IP) have joined the Matter project and have either made or will make their old “isolated solutions” compatible with Matter (mostly via their own hub).
Some examples of well-known brands: Apple, Google, Amazon, Eve, Bosch, Aqara, Ikea, etc.
If Matter won’t become widespread, or if, based on the participating companies, it is not supposed to become widespread, why have these companies worked together for so long and agreed on the Thread wireless standard?
They could have saved themselves that time.
I’m facing the same issue. In the basement, I want controllable lighting (work vs. relax), and I don’t want to have to buy another Hue Bridge now.
For floor lamps, I use various Wi-Fi smart plugs (Shelly, Meross) that I have integrated into my HomeKit setup. However, they regularly lose connection. I’m hoping Thread will work better. Soon, I’ll try connecting an Eve light switch via Matter with the iOS 16.2 release to control some scenes. We’ll see how that goes.
Matter/Thread will likely dominate in rental apartments. Looking back, I would have preferred KNX in a single-family house – now I have to deal with my wireless solutions.
For floor lamps, I use various Wi-Fi smart plugs (Shelly, Meross) that I have integrated into my HomeKit setup. However, they regularly lose connection. I’m hoping Thread will work better. Soon, I’ll try connecting an Eve light switch via Matter with the iOS 16.2 release to control some scenes. We’ll see how that goes.
Matter/Thread will likely dominate in rental apartments. Looking back, I would have preferred KNX in a single-family house – now I have to deal with my wireless solutions.
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SaniererNRW12316 Nov 2022 08:37FrankChief schrieb:
If the lamp should be dimmable or change colors, then it must be "smart." Shelly:
Dimmable = no smart lamp necessary
Color changeable = only possible with low-voltage LEDs
Basically, changing the color of a lamp: Does anyone really do that?
OWLer schrieb:
Yes, but using this just to control individual lamps/scenes as a standalone solution is like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and contradicts the system philosophy of KNX in my opinion. That’s true. But then insisting on Matter when there are already so many solutions available? And I’ll say it again – why should I buy a smart end device (bulb) when it’s much smarter to connect an actuator (whether radio or Wi-Fi) in front of a 99-cent bulb?
FrankChief schrieb:
Why do you think Matter will not become widely adopted?Because it is just another system among many, and it obviously faces significant challenges. Ultimately, it also needs to be accepted by the end customer. Electricians, system integrators, and other parties are involved in this process. Not everyone installs something like this themselves in their house or apartment; instead, they order, pay for, and expect a finished product.Why would someone switch to Matter if they are already comfortable and have good experiences with system XY?
FrankChief schrieb:
As far as I know, all manufacturers (except Homematic IP) have joined the Matter project and have made or will make their old “isolated solutions” compatible with Matter (usually via their own bridge).
A few examples of well-known brands: Apple, Google, Amazon, eve, Bosch, Aqara, Ikea, etc.Making devices compatible does not necessarily mean 100% interoperability. Pure speculation: there will likely be many special exceptions where each system will be promoted as the best. Despite the agreement, incompatibilities will still occur in the future. Some devices will not be fully integrable, and so on.The examples you mentioned are still relative newcomers in the home automation market despite their size.