Hello forum community,
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking a question here as a tenant, because I expect a lot of expertise on the topic...
A few months ago, we moved into a rented apartment on the first floor of an old building (late 19th century, three-story brick building). The apartments were renovated 5 years ago, and the walls were plastered with clay plaster.
Now, the tenant in the apartment below us told us that recently, severe cracks have appeared in the ceiling plaster of her apartment. She also finds our children quite loud. That may be true, as they are quite lively and sometimes run around inside the apartment. However, we make sure they don’t constantly jump off chairs or similar. Additionally, all the apartments have laminate flooring (according to the landlord, with impact sound insulation), and we can clearly hear the tenants above us when they walk around, even though they tend to be quiet.
She spoke to the landlord about this, and after they inspected the damage, it seems that the entire plaster in her ceiling will need to be replaced. Of course, this is the landlord’s responsibility, but the time required is significant, especially for a single mother with two children, as she has to empty all the rooms.
The tenant below connects this to us moving into the apartment above, saying the cracks only appeared since we moved in. Apparently, the previous tenants were quieter. I really can’t imagine that two children weighing a maximum of 20 kg (44 lbs) running around could cause the plaster below to crumble? Based on my basic understanding of construction, there are always cavities in ceilings, so vibrations shouldn’t be transmitted so directly, right? Sure, if I had two overweight 15-year-olds regularly practicing martial arts indoors, I could imagine that, but with slender kindergarten children? What kind of building is it if it can’t handle that…?
The noise issue is separate, and I understand that. We are considering putting carpets in the main rooms.
Is it conceivable that running children could have such an impact? Or how else could cracks in the clay plaster below appear within just a few months? By the way, we also have cracks, but they seem normal and don’t look like the plaster is about to come down.
Thanks in advance if anyone took the time to read this!
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking a question here as a tenant, because I expect a lot of expertise on the topic...
A few months ago, we moved into a rented apartment on the first floor of an old building (late 19th century, three-story brick building). The apartments were renovated 5 years ago, and the walls were plastered with clay plaster.
Now, the tenant in the apartment below us told us that recently, severe cracks have appeared in the ceiling plaster of her apartment. She also finds our children quite loud. That may be true, as they are quite lively and sometimes run around inside the apartment. However, we make sure they don’t constantly jump off chairs or similar. Additionally, all the apartments have laminate flooring (according to the landlord, with impact sound insulation), and we can clearly hear the tenants above us when they walk around, even though they tend to be quiet.
She spoke to the landlord about this, and after they inspected the damage, it seems that the entire plaster in her ceiling will need to be replaced. Of course, this is the landlord’s responsibility, but the time required is significant, especially for a single mother with two children, as she has to empty all the rooms.
The tenant below connects this to us moving into the apartment above, saying the cracks only appeared since we moved in. Apparently, the previous tenants were quieter. I really can’t imagine that two children weighing a maximum of 20 kg (44 lbs) running around could cause the plaster below to crumble? Based on my basic understanding of construction, there are always cavities in ceilings, so vibrations shouldn’t be transmitted so directly, right? Sure, if I had two overweight 15-year-olds regularly practicing martial arts indoors, I could imagine that, but with slender kindergarten children? What kind of building is it if it can’t handle that…?
The noise issue is separate, and I understand that. We are considering putting carpets in the main rooms.
Is it conceivable that running children could have such an impact? Or how else could cracks in the clay plaster below appear within just a few months? By the way, we also have cracks, but they seem normal and don’t look like the plaster is about to come down.
Thanks in advance if anyone took the time to read this!
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HilfeHilfe10 May 2017 12:53kaho674 schrieb:
No, I wasn’t that lucky. But I never really wanted children anyway. What I don’t understand is the frustration? Being childless is my smallest problem. My mother recently died of cancer after 2 years. That was hard. My supplier just canceled deliveries for this week. That is hard.
No child is unfortunate, but it can’t be changed. But honestly, do you want to use my childlessness as an excuse for yourself and the rest of the world not to tackle overpopulation? Then you’re not as smart as I hoped.
My sister, for example, has a child. I love that child as if it were my own. She now has a grandchild, so I have a nephew. He’s my little “prince.” I’m really happy about him. But that doesn’t change the truth.So, do you have a tiny cute kitten or puppy then???
You do know these animals are among the biggest carriers of pests and infections, right?
Will they pay your pension when you’re old? Do children have anything to do with your mother’s cancer?
No.
Oh, poor OP. I think the "cracks in the ceiling" in the thread title actually referred to the structural element between two floors – not what people in Cologne call "e´ne Ratsch em Kappes." In that sense: don’t fight, better get along.
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HilfeHilfe schrieb:
so you have a tiny little cute kitten or puppy then??? Yes. Even two. Are you trying to insult me with that? That’s cheap. I didn’t expect that from you.
HilfeHilfe schrieb:
you do know these animals are the biggest disease carriers, right?? I thought that was rats.
HilfeHilfe schrieb:
do they pay your pension in old age? Funny. What pension? Self-employed. Ever heard of that?
HilfeHilfe schrieb:
do the children have anything to do with your mom’s cancer? Yes. It’s caused by environmental pollution. And that comes from overpopulation. But if you’re going to stoop to this kindergarten level, I’m not interested anymore.
11ant schrieb:
Oh, poor OP. I think the "cracks in the ceiling" mentioned in the thread title actually referred to the structural element between two floors... Well, she can’t say we didn’t discuss the topic thoroughly.
Okay, we did drift off a bit.
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Bieber081510 May 2017 22:21kaho674 schrieb:
That is due to environmental pollution. And this is caused by overpopulation. This cause-and-effect relationship is incorrect.
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HilfeHilfe11 May 2017 07:14kaho674 schrieb:
Yes. Even twice. Are you trying to insult me with that? That’s cheap. I wouldn’t have expected that from you.
I thought it was the rats.
Joker. What pension? Self-employed. Ever heard of that?
Yes. It’s due to environmental pollution. And that comes from overpopulation. But if you’re going to stoop to kindergarten-level insults now, I’m not interested anymore.You shifted the discussion, no, not insulting, just baiting. And I succeeded.
So drop the jokes about plagues and children. You can share those in your own circles. You’re probably too afraid to do so.