Hello everyone,
During the planning phase of building a house, you inevitably come across forums about home construction and topics related to energy standards. I have already read several books and browsed various websites on the subject. I should mention that I am not a professional in this field. What I have noticed is that the entire topic of "economic / ecological home construction" is heavily influenced by commercial interests. The so-called "smart" consumer is often misled by marketing terms and a government-led campaign for "CO2-efficient building." Books or websites dealing with this subject often do not provide clear, comprehensive assessments.
In the "better" literature, insulation materials are compared in terms of insulation value and whether they are expensive or affordable. However, I still cannot determine what makes the most sense for my individual case. I simply do not want to spend excessive amounts of money, especially on things that do not add value, such as polystyrene insulation. If additional costs for a particular heating system are reasonable over a feasible period, then yes.
Our current goal is to build a simple single-family home with about 130 - 140 sqm (1400 - 1500 sq ft). The house should cost around €200,000 (without outdoor landscaping, floor coverings, land, or additional construction-related costs; our expectations are modest).
I am interested in knowing, based on the current state of technology, what is the most energy-efficient and cost-effective building option?
Energy-saving regulation / building standards according to KfW, yes or no, and if yes, which level?
Solid construction or prefabricated house?
Condensing boiler technology or heat pump?
Thank you very much for your answers!
Best regards
During the planning phase of building a house, you inevitably come across forums about home construction and topics related to energy standards. I have already read several books and browsed various websites on the subject. I should mention that I am not a professional in this field. What I have noticed is that the entire topic of "economic / ecological home construction" is heavily influenced by commercial interests. The so-called "smart" consumer is often misled by marketing terms and a government-led campaign for "CO2-efficient building." Books or websites dealing with this subject often do not provide clear, comprehensive assessments.
In the "better" literature, insulation materials are compared in terms of insulation value and whether they are expensive or affordable. However, I still cannot determine what makes the most sense for my individual case. I simply do not want to spend excessive amounts of money, especially on things that do not add value, such as polystyrene insulation. If additional costs for a particular heating system are reasonable over a feasible period, then yes.
Our current goal is to build a simple single-family home with about 130 - 140 sqm (1400 - 1500 sq ft). The house should cost around €200,000 (without outdoor landscaping, floor coverings, land, or additional construction-related costs; our expectations are modest).
I am interested in knowing, based on the current state of technology, what is the most energy-efficient and cost-effective building option?
Energy-saving regulation / building standards according to KfW, yes or no, and if yes, which level?
Solid construction or prefabricated house?
Condensing boiler technology or heat pump?
Thank you very much for your answers!
Best regards
Bauherr2018 schrieb:
We are currently aiming to build a simple detached house of about 130 - 140 sqm (1400 - 1500 sq ft). This "what" is so extremely average that it almost seems funny to try to set standards with the "how."
Bauherr2018 schrieb:
I am curious: based on current technology, what is the most energy-efficient and cost-effective construction method? I’d say, without guarantee: 42 (?)
Bauherr2018 schrieb:
Energy saving regulation according to KFW, yes or no, and if yes, which one?
Solid construction or prefabricated house?
Condensing boiler technology or heat pump? All of these individual questions are classic examples of topics charged with emotion. There are worldviews, positions, and counterpositions related to each, always accompanied by the feeling that the explanation with more understandable arguments is not necessarily the "right" one.
If you hope to find within this Babylonian tangle of thoughts an economic principle that will judge for you and suddenly clarify your view so that you see only one, absolute truth with an aha effect, then any oracle will disappoint you.
(You too) will not manage to build your house with philosopher’s stones – not even the first one (nor the second, but by then you’ll be more forgiving, and you’ll cope).
Welcome to the club.
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I find this discussion very interesting, especially since it is now clearly stated that it is indeed possible to build a house for less than 200,000 euros.
On the other hand, I don’t think everyone here assumes that a house always has to cost more than 300,000 euros. Rather, I believe there is often a communication gap. What one person considers standard is shabby to another, and luxury to someone else. This difference in "standards" and tastes makes a consistently objective debate nearly impossible, at least not here in the forum.
The fact is, as we have now learned, it is definitely possible to build a house for under 200,000 euros. Of course, if someone wants KNX automation, a sauna, a fireplace, LED-lit stairs, astronaut technology, and so on, they will have to pay for it. I think those people are usually happy to do so.
On the other hand, I don’t think everyone here assumes that a house always has to cost more than 300,000 euros. Rather, I believe there is often a communication gap. What one person considers standard is shabby to another, and luxury to someone else. This difference in "standards" and tastes makes a consistently objective debate nearly impossible, at least not here in the forum.
The fact is, as we have now learned, it is definitely possible to build a house for under 200,000 euros. Of course, if someone wants KNX automation, a sauna, a fireplace, LED-lit stairs, astronaut technology, and so on, they will have to pay for it. I think those people are usually happy to do so.
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Steffen807 Aug 2017 18:40Farilo schrieb:
I find this discussion very interesting, especially since it’s now clearly stated that it is indeed possible to build a house for under 200,000 euros.
On the other hand, I don’t think everyone here assumes a house must always cost over 300,000 euros. Rather, I believe people often talk past each other. What one person considers standard, another sees as shabby, and yet another views as luxury. These differences in "standards" and personal tastes prevent a consistently objective debate—at least not here in the forum.
The fact is, and we have learned this now, it is definitely possible to build a house for under 200,000 euros. Of course, if someone wants KNX (smart home systems), a sauna, fireplace, LED stair lighting, astronautics-level technology, etc., they have to pay for it. I think those people are happy to do so.So far, no one has shown me a house built for less than 1,500 euros (1,600?) per square meter (all-in!) since 2016. It’s all just talk...
The same old story again...
It makes no sense at all to talk about partial sums for a project like this. "Just the house" – what does that even mean? Is there such a thing as a house without additional construction costs? No. So please don’t ignore those costs, as it distorts the picture. It risks forgetting expenses or not even realizing that they will occur. "Oh, taxes are a cost too?!" I was shocked by what some bank advisors reveal during financing discussions.
200,000 euros, just the house, and certainly no extras. Right. But it has to be triple-glazed, and glazed roof tiles are important as well. Oh, and the fixtures are standard only… Wait, that’s not right: it’s the “nice” standard. Then take a look at what you actually get in that “standard.”
If you build for that amount – which might be possible – then you won’t have money left for economically or ecologically sensible options. You build whatever can be delivered to you at the lowest possible price. So put other considerations aside and contact general contractors, asking about minimal equipment and inexpensive house designs.
It makes no sense at all to talk about partial sums for a project like this. "Just the house" – what does that even mean? Is there such a thing as a house without additional construction costs? No. So please don’t ignore those costs, as it distorts the picture. It risks forgetting expenses or not even realizing that they will occur. "Oh, taxes are a cost too?!" I was shocked by what some bank advisors reveal during financing discussions.
200,000 euros, just the house, and certainly no extras. Right. But it has to be triple-glazed, and glazed roof tiles are important as well. Oh, and the fixtures are standard only… Wait, that’s not right: it’s the “nice” standard. Then take a look at what you actually get in that “standard.”
If you build for that amount – which might be possible – then you won’t have money left for economically or ecologically sensible options. You build whatever can be delivered to you at the lowest possible price. So put other considerations aside and contact general contractors, asking about minimal equipment and inexpensive house designs.
Hi Steffen,
so, the user HAL06120 wrote:
Why don’t you believe him?
So, do you think user HAL06120 is lying?
And what exactly do you mean by "all-in"?
so, the user HAL06120 wrote:
HAL06120 schrieb:
Our costs for a 134/125 m² (1443/1345 sq ft) KFW55 turnkey house through a general contractor are under 200,000.
The problem with forums is that it’s more common for people to brag than to admit that you can also build affordably. That’s why the average forum price is always higher than the average market price.
Why don’t you believe him?
Steffen80 schrieb:
So far, no one has shown me a house built for less than 1500 EUR (1600..?) per square meter (all-in!) since 2016+. It’s all just talk..
So, do you think user HAL06120 is lying?
And what exactly do you mean by "all-in"?