ᐅ Y-Tong vs. Concrete Without Additional Insulation in Practice (Heating Costs)

Created on: 28 Feb 2019 17:02
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Keishadow
28 Feb 2019 17:02
We are about to start building a house using Ytong blocks without additional insulation, with underfloor heating and a heat pump.
Nevertheless, I am interested in this comparison and roughly how much higher heating costs in percentage terms could be expected, if that can even be calculated.
Energy saving is a big focus nowadays. That’s why Ytong was recommended to us, suggesting that extra insulation might not be necessary. The walls can breathe, and the U-value is sufficient. However, the problem with the U-value is that it is a "laboratory value." In practical situations, the sun shines outside, even in winter! Materials with high density like concrete, calcium silicate blocks, etc., are warmed by the sun and can transfer that heat inside the house. Ytong heats up less strongly but retains the interior heat for longer. The same issue applies to triple-glazed windows. They keep the heat inside better but don’t allow the interior space to warm up as much when the sun shines. This puts the U-value into perspective and makes calculating the actual energy consumption for heating somewhat complicated.

If you also factor in air conditioning, which is used in summer to cool a Ytong house, it gets even more complex. Concrete, on the other hand, could keep the interior cooler in summer, potentially allowing one to avoid air conditioning altogether, which saves energy again.

So, it could well be that the difference in heating costs is not as significant as expected in the end. However, with concrete, you might enjoy significantly more comfortable temperatures during the summer.

Does anyone have experience with this? Perhaps someone lives in a concrete house without insulation and can share insights about the indoor climate and heating costs? I would be really interested to hear what comes out of it...
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Nordlys
28 Feb 2019 17:30
Phew, what a tricky issue. My concrete garage is freezing cold in winter and quite warm in summer. My Ytong house is cozy warm in winter and nicely cool in summer. That’s how it is when the sun is shining.
11ant28 Feb 2019 18:18
Yes, ouch, it seems someone has been reading a lot in the builder’s special issue of Bäckerblume. Without thermal insulation glazing, the third pane does not provide any protection, and with monolithic concrete, according to the energy saving regulations, you would probably need around 80 cm (31.5 inches) wall thickness.
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Caspar2020
28 Feb 2019 18:27
I would like to know where it is still possible to build with plain concrete without additional insulation, apart from in bunker construction.
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halmi
28 Feb 2019 18:34
Our house is made of concrete with 10cm (4 inches) plus 20cm (8 inches) of full thermal insulation. The U-value is 0.15. The walls are wonderfully warm in winter and pleasantly cool in summer. Without the thermal insulation, construction would not be possible.

It is a KFW55 house.
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Elina
28 Feb 2019 18:39
So when the sun shines on cold days below freezing in January, the upper floor with triple-glazed windows stays so warm that I don’t need to use heating.
That’s for the idea that nothing heats up with triple-glazed windows.
By the way, in summer it’s not possible to manage without air conditioning despite the 40cm (16 inches) wall thickness (entirely timber construction, meaning 40cm (16 inches) of insulation).