Hello everyone!
I’ve mentioned before that we plan to install a wooden privacy fence along the side of our property bordering the neighbor. The plan was for rounded fence panels, 180cm (71 inches) tall at the highest point and the same width.
The local DIY store gave me a quote for the materials, including delivery. Normally, this store is not particularly expensive.
The total for materials for 19.5m (64 feet) of fencing came to over 1000€. The panels themselves were about 500€, with the rest being the “miscellaneous parts.” One costly item is the wood stain planned (three times 4L (1 gallon) of Bondex long-lasting protective stain) for nearly 200€. The advisor also said we need to use H-posts and set them in concrete. He quoted a 40kg (88 lbs) bag of screed concrete for each post.
I know that here in northern Germany it’s probably better to set the posts in concrete, but do I really need 400kg (880 lbs) of concrete for a 19.5m (64 feet) wooden fence? It seems crazy to me.
With L-brackets, screws, posts, etc., the entire project came to just over 1000€, and then we still have to assemble it ourselves — and we’re not sure if we can manage that. I had originally thought of using the quick-setting concrete that only needs watering, but I expected 2–3 bags would be enough.
Do you think the quote for materials is realistic? I’m a bit shocked.
Now we’re considering alternatives. For example, I could order a mixed package of “natural hedge bouquet” with 160 plants online for about 280€, which would green up the whole garden and cost only about a quarter of what the fence would. However, the noise insulation to the neighbor’s property would probably be weaker than with a wooden fence (anyone with experience here?), and we would have to wait a few years until the plants grow tall enough to screen the view of the metal shed. But honestly, I’d almost prefer to invest a four-figure amount in greenery rather than in a fence.
What would you recommend?
I’ve mentioned before that we plan to install a wooden privacy fence along the side of our property bordering the neighbor. The plan was for rounded fence panels, 180cm (71 inches) tall at the highest point and the same width.
The local DIY store gave me a quote for the materials, including delivery. Normally, this store is not particularly expensive.
The total for materials for 19.5m (64 feet) of fencing came to over 1000€. The panels themselves were about 500€, with the rest being the “miscellaneous parts.” One costly item is the wood stain planned (three times 4L (1 gallon) of Bondex long-lasting protective stain) for nearly 200€. The advisor also said we need to use H-posts and set them in concrete. He quoted a 40kg (88 lbs) bag of screed concrete for each post.
I know that here in northern Germany it’s probably better to set the posts in concrete, but do I really need 400kg (880 lbs) of concrete for a 19.5m (64 feet) wooden fence? It seems crazy to me.
With L-brackets, screws, posts, etc., the entire project came to just over 1000€, and then we still have to assemble it ourselves — and we’re not sure if we can manage that. I had originally thought of using the quick-setting concrete that only needs watering, but I expected 2–3 bags would be enough.
Do you think the quote for materials is realistic? I’m a bit shocked.
Now we’re considering alternatives. For example, I could order a mixed package of “natural hedge bouquet” with 160 plants online for about 280€, which would green up the whole garden and cost only about a quarter of what the fence would. However, the noise insulation to the neighbor’s property would probably be weaker than with a wooden fence (anyone with experience here?), and we would have to wait a few years until the plants grow tall enough to screen the view of the metal shed. But honestly, I’d almost prefer to invest a four-figure amount in greenery rather than in a fence.
What would you recommend?
What exactly is the bigger problem, Kati—the thumping noise in the living room or the noise on the terrace? If you had one wish...
Has the neighbor set up his speaker facing your house, and if so, couldn’t he change that?
But I’m not sure if I really have any legal grounds there. Maybe the music isn’t “too loud.”
There are limit values, measuring devices, and experts for an objective assessment. Have you done anything along those lines?
Has the neighbor set up his speaker facing your house, and if so, couldn’t he change that?
But I’m not sure if I really have any legal grounds there. Maybe the music isn’t “too loud.”
There are limit values, measuring devices, and experts for an objective assessment. Have you done anything along those lines?
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T_im_Norden1 Jun 2021 20:37Get advice from a soundproofing specialist; anything else is just guessing.
motorradsilke schrieb:
Sundays and public holidays are days of rest, so he is not allowed to play music. Sorry, that is incorrect.
motorradsilke schrieb:
All noise must be avoided during these times. That is correct.
Music is not always the same as noise. No one can be forbidden from listening to music as long as the way it is played does not regularly disturb others.
The original poster already mentioned that she is sensitive and the music may not actually be objectively too loud.
Try this: next time the bass is thumping, move either onto the terrace or into your living room. Does the bass volume change depending on your position? Are there positions where the bass is very low or very loud?
If this is the case, there are standing waves, and these can be controlled.
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motorradsilke2 Jun 2021 08:24Tolentino schrieb:
Music is not always the same as noise. No one can be prohibited from listening to music, as long as the manner does not habitually disturb others.
However, this is clearly the case here.
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hanghaus20002 Jun 2021 08:26Privacy screen toward neighbor after 1 year for under 150 euros. For about 8 m (26 feet)
No. The occupant is clearly and self-declared not a typical case.
Another example: If I were bothered by someone resting on a city bench wearing a skirt that is too short, that would be my problem alone. Only if that person were naked there could the authorities intervene. The law is meant to protect everyone’s freedoms, and if someone has particular sensitivities, that does not always apply.
Unfortunately, it’s not that simple.
As someone who used to be disturbed by noise, I gained experience and was thoroughly informed by the friendly officers in blue. And it really was no longer a matter of sensitivity when schnitzels were being pounded at 2 a.m.
Quote: “You can’t forbid anyone from preparing food after a late shift.” Luckily, the neighbor was foolish enough to regularly play loud music, but even then, without another neighbor who was also sensitive and extremely persistent, I would not have gotten anywhere.
But this case seems to be different. That’s why I would also try to have an open conversation here. Feel free to share your experience in the old apartment, explaining that you have been a bit sensitive since then. See if they would be willing to test this with you a little. And especially ask them to be mindful to turn off the music if they’re not outside anyway.
Another example: If I were bothered by someone resting on a city bench wearing a skirt that is too short, that would be my problem alone. Only if that person were naked there could the authorities intervene. The law is meant to protect everyone’s freedoms, and if someone has particular sensitivities, that does not always apply.
Unfortunately, it’s not that simple.
As someone who used to be disturbed by noise, I gained experience and was thoroughly informed by the friendly officers in blue. And it really was no longer a matter of sensitivity when schnitzels were being pounded at 2 a.m.
Quote: “You can’t forbid anyone from preparing food after a late shift.” Luckily, the neighbor was foolish enough to regularly play loud music, but even then, without another neighbor who was also sensitive and extremely persistent, I would not have gotten anywhere.
But this case seems to be different. That’s why I would also try to have an open conversation here. Feel free to share your experience in the old apartment, explaining that you have been a bit sensitive since then. See if they would be willing to test this with you a little. And especially ask them to be mindful to turn off the music if they’re not outside anyway.
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