ᐅ Withholding Payments for Defects in the Shell Construction Phase
Created on: 9 Feb 2021 16:57
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Kishihmen
Hello everyone,
The ceiling above the ground floor has just been concreted on our site. According to the payment schedule, a partial payment of approximately €30,000 is due.
However, our expert has identified several defects. These were formally reported to the general contractor (GC) with deadlines. The first deadline (2 weeks) passed without the defects being resolved; the second deadline is still running until Thursday (also 2 weeks).
So far, we have withheld about €17,000 of the €30,000. Our GC considers this amount far too high and insists on payment.
Since we are currently concerned about the potential insolvency of the GC (the structural builder, brick supplier, steel supplier, and light well supplier have not been paid), we want to keep the deduction as high as possible. However, since we are not construction professionals and want to avoid the risk that withholding too much for defects could backfire, I hope that some experts here can provide us with a rough cost estimate.
P.S. Our lawyer has been contacted, but the appointment is only scheduled for 17.02, and I fear we cannot hold off the GC until then.
Defect 1:
At the transition between the basement and the ground floor, no damp-proof course was installed at the base of the first course of blocks.
The basement is already fully lined with Styrodur insulation, and the excavation pit has been backfilled.

Defect 2:
In some areas of the structural shell, the minimum offset of the bricks was not observed; in places, up to 7 courses of bricks were laid directly on top of each other.

Defect 3:
This is a row house. Mineral wool boards were installed between the buildings for sound insulation. At one externally visible spot, there is a gap of about 80cm (31.5 inches) depth and approximately 20cm (8 inches) height between the boards. After reporting the defect, the structural builder just “stuffed” mineral wool boards into the hole. According to our lawyer, this does not reliably ensure soundproofing.
Defect 4:
The area where the patio doors will later be installed was cast in concrete. Here, the reinforcing steel protrudes from the wall. According to the expert: This means that a proper bond between the reinforcing steel and concrete is not sufficiently ensured. It is assumed that adequate long-term corrosion protection of the reinforcement steel is not established. Furthermore, with insufficient concrete cover over the reinforcing steel, adequate fire protection is not guaranteed.
Defect 5:
In the floor slab area, the mineral wool board was not properly secured. As a result, it is quite wavy. This is particularly problematic in the stairwell area, where in some places only 10cm (4 inches) of concrete remain above the mineral wool board. The partition wall bricks have a thickness of 17.5cm (7 inches), though.

Defect 6:
The mineral wool boards were not installed tightly enough in some areas, allowing concrete to seep between the boards and create a sound bridge.

These are the (known) defects so far. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could roughly estimate the costs associated with these defects.
Thank you very much in advance.

The ceiling above the ground floor has just been concreted on our site. According to the payment schedule, a partial payment of approximately €30,000 is due.
However, our expert has identified several defects. These were formally reported to the general contractor (GC) with deadlines. The first deadline (2 weeks) passed without the defects being resolved; the second deadline is still running until Thursday (also 2 weeks).
So far, we have withheld about €17,000 of the €30,000. Our GC considers this amount far too high and insists on payment.
Since we are currently concerned about the potential insolvency of the GC (the structural builder, brick supplier, steel supplier, and light well supplier have not been paid), we want to keep the deduction as high as possible. However, since we are not construction professionals and want to avoid the risk that withholding too much for defects could backfire, I hope that some experts here can provide us with a rough cost estimate.
P.S. Our lawyer has been contacted, but the appointment is only scheduled for 17.02, and I fear we cannot hold off the GC until then.
Defect 1:
At the transition between the basement and the ground floor, no damp-proof course was installed at the base of the first course of blocks.
The basement is already fully lined with Styrodur insulation, and the excavation pit has been backfilled.
Defect 2:
In some areas of the structural shell, the minimum offset of the bricks was not observed; in places, up to 7 courses of bricks were laid directly on top of each other.
Defect 3:
This is a row house. Mineral wool boards were installed between the buildings for sound insulation. At one externally visible spot, there is a gap of about 80cm (31.5 inches) depth and approximately 20cm (8 inches) height between the boards. After reporting the defect, the structural builder just “stuffed” mineral wool boards into the hole. According to our lawyer, this does not reliably ensure soundproofing.
Defect 4:
The area where the patio doors will later be installed was cast in concrete. Here, the reinforcing steel protrudes from the wall. According to the expert: This means that a proper bond between the reinforcing steel and concrete is not sufficiently ensured. It is assumed that adequate long-term corrosion protection of the reinforcement steel is not established. Furthermore, with insufficient concrete cover over the reinforcing steel, adequate fire protection is not guaranteed.
Defect 5:
In the floor slab area, the mineral wool board was not properly secured. As a result, it is quite wavy. This is particularly problematic in the stairwell area, where in some places only 10cm (4 inches) of concrete remain above the mineral wool board. The partition wall bricks have a thickness of 17.5cm (7 inches), though.
Defect 6:
The mineral wool boards were not installed tightly enough in some areas, allowing concrete to seep between the boards and create a sound bridge.
These are the (known) defects so far. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could roughly estimate the costs associated with these defects.
Thank you very much in advance.
K
Kishihmen11 Feb 2021 09:34Hausbau0815 schrieb:
In our case, things seem to be improving, partly thanks to the opposing party’s lawyer, that is GU2’s lawyer. He’s really putting pressure on his client—my own lawyer couldn’t do better. For example, out of frustration, the client dismantled the interior scaffolding, but it was back two days later. When a subcontractor doesn’t get paid, I call GU2’s lawyer, and the money arrives the next day. It works really well. Now he’s working on getting a proper site manager in place.That sounds promising. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that you’ll still reach a somewhat positive outcome.K
Kishihmen11 Feb 2021 09:59icandoit schrieb:
No lawyer is needed yet because of the defects. So far, the original poster has handled everything correctly.
But what will follow now requires professional expertise.
Let me ask again, are you building all 3 units?Sorry, I missed that. No, there are a total of three builders. However, we are in close contact and coordinate very regularly. The other two builders are also fed up and are going to the same lawyer, so that he can represent all three builders.K
Kishihmen11 Feb 2021 11:18icandoit schrieb:
Is this a developer or a contractor?
I’m asking because the basement was built by a different contractor.
Is there photo documentation of the partition wall in the basement and ground floor (especially the insulation in between)? There are photos of almost everything 🙂
Separation from the “inside”
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Kishihmen11 Feb 2021 12:34icandoit schrieb:
Is this a property developer or a contractor? I can’t seem to find the "Edit" button. It is a general contractor. He only works with subcontractors.
He apparently has fairly reliable partners and has been on the market for almost 12 years. Unfortunately, his regular structural builder fell seriously ill with COVID-19 just before the start of construction on our house (we even had talks with him) and has been in the hospital for over six months now. As a result, the general contractor is currently looking for a good new structural builder. I can’t judge the quality of the original structural builder, but it couldn’t have been much worse 😀
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