ᐅ Importing Windows? CE Marking or RAL Quality — What Matters?

Moritzz schrieb:

I specifically brought a window manufacturer with me to Turkey; he has been fully trained for five years and knows the subject well.

Taking the window manufacturer along and inspecting everything together on site is an expensive affair.

Moritzz schrieb:

Winsa windows

So it’s a purely Turkish product. There must be a reason why the windows don’t have European certification. For me, that would be an absolute deal-breaker, just like the lack of access to a Turkish contractor if (I think when, not if) defects become apparent.

Moritzz schrieb:

Winsa windows
GU, HOPPE installed
Triple-glazed, Uw=0.85
84mm (3.3 inches) profiles, 7 chambers,
4-12-4-12-4

That alone doesn’t say anything about the quality of the windows.

Moritzz schrieb:

I bought my windows for one third of the price

Is that good or bad (since it was only two thirds cheaper)?
I’m currently collecting quotes for windows as well (14 windows, 1 tilt-and-slide — about 34 sqm (366 sq ft) plus electric roller shutters). The material-only prices range from €6,500 (directly from Poland, sold and installed by a German company) up to €21,000 (local window specialist) — almost all offers are Veka Softline 82 MD windows. You can also get affordable windows in Germany with a German point of contact. For me, it won’t be the cheapest supplier either. The whole package has to be right, and I’m willing to pay a few extra euros for a window company that acts as both installer and contact person.

Since you apparently already bought the windows, the die is cast.

Real-life case:
"In the Oldenburg area of Lower Saxony, a window manufacturer was commissioned in July 2015 to supply and install window and door units including roller shutters for a residential building. For €16,200 gross. The window manufacturer had the window and door units produced and carried out the installation work. Declarations of performance existed for the windows from the manufacturer but not for the roller shutters. Neither the windows nor the roller shutters had a CE marking.

The window manufacturer received payment.

However, the client’s satisfaction did not last long. After some time, there were signs of improper seams, non-airtight windows, and other issues."

nordanney schrieb:

Taking the window installer along and inspecting everything together on site is an expensive but worthwhile effort.

So it’s purely a Turkish product. There is a reason why these windows don’t have European certification. For me, that would be an absolute deal breaker, just like the lack of access to a Turkish contractor if (and I say when, not if) defects become apparent.

No, not at all. This is a Belgian company. You can look it up, they have good – very good reviews.
Deceuninck Germany GmbH
Sorry, I forgot to mention, the windows have CE, RAL, EN, ISO, and TSE certifications. I believe there is no CE certification for roller shutters, and it’s also not required for those.

That alone doesn’t say anything about the quality of the windows.

Is it good or bad then (because it was only 2/3 cheaper)?
I’m currently also collecting quotes for windows (14 windows, 1 tilt-and-slide – total about 34sqm (366 sqft) plus electric roller shutters). The material prices alone range from €6,500 (directly from Poland, sold and installed by a German company) up to €21,000 (local window installer) – almost all offers are VEKA Softline 82 MD windows. You can also get affordable windows in Germany with a German contact person. For me, it won’t be the cheapest supplier either. The overall package has to be right and for that, I’m willing to pay a bit more for a window installer who is also the installer and contact person.

I have 12 window quotes from Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bosnia, and Germany. Price range €40,000 to €75,000.
High cabinet doors, 120sqm (1,292 sqft) of windows, additional window extensions because of balcony slopes etc.

Since you apparently have already bought the windows, the damage is done.

Real case:
"In the Oldenburg area, Lower Saxony, a window installer was commissioned in July 2015 to supply and install window and door elements including roller shutters for a residential building. The contract was for €16,200 gross. The window installer ordered the window and door elements and carried out the work. Performance declarations were provided for the windows by the manufacturer, but not for the roller shutters. Neither the windows nor the roller shutters had CE marking.

The installer received payment.

But the client’s satisfaction did not last long. After some time, there were issues such as poor sealing, non-airtight windows, and the like."

I know that.

No, not at all. This is a Belgian company. You can look it up online; it has good—very good—reviews.
Deceuninck Germany GmbH
Sorry, I forgot to mention, CE, RAL, EN, ISO, TSE certifications are all available for the windows. I believe there is no CE certification for roller shutters, and it is not required for them.

I have 12 window quotes from the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bosnia, and Germany. Price range is €40,000–75,000.
Tall cabinet doors, 120m² (1,292ft²) of windows, plus additional window widenings due to balcony slope, etc.

Moritzz schrieb:

No, exactly not. That is a Belgian company.

So what now? Import windows from Turkey or hire German companies? The one you mentioned is based in Germany (a subsidiary of the Belgians). But it has nothing to do with the company Winsa.

Moritzz schrieb:

Sorry, I forgot to mention, CE, RAL, EN, ISO, TSE certifications are all available for the windows.

Huh? Your initial post was about importing Turkish windows WITHOUT CE certification.

Winsa is still a Turkish manufacturer of profiles. Nothing Belgian about it.

To get back to your original post: What exactly do you want to know from us here? Where are your windows actually from? Do they have a CE mark or not? In every post you write something different.

Personally, I have never come across windows without CE marking and have never looked into how the EU deals with Turkey regarding its potential accession. However, you should research this yourself so you don’t run into problems: if marking is mandatory for a product category, it could happen that you won’t be able to get your attractive, low-priced goods out of customs storage and may even have to pay for their disposal. The infallible all-knowing Wikipedia states: The CE marking is often referred to as the "passport" for the European single market.

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nordanney schrieb:

So what’s it going to be? Import windows from Turkey or hire German companies? The one you mentioned is based in Germany (a subsidiary of the Belgians). But it has nothing to do with the company Winsa.

Huh? In the original post, it was about importing Turkish windows WITHOUT CE certification.

Winsa is still a Turkish profile manufacturer. Nothing Belgian.

To come back to your original post: what exactly do you want from us here? Where do your windows come from now? Do they have a CE mark or not? In every post, you say something different.

Sorry, I have to sum it up briefly.
When I asked Winsa, I was told that not everything has CE certification. That’s why I started my thread.

In the meantime, I have been shown that windows have CE, RAL, etc., but not shutters (which are also not required).

Winsa was acquired by Deceuninck. We visited the production site and saw that a lot has been invested there. Since I work in field service myself, I can say one thing: they definitely meet European standards regarding the production site, machinery, etc.

My windows come from Winsa in Turkey with CE, RAL, etc.
You can check them out yourself if they have been installed for you.