ᐅ Which heating system is best for a household of 2 people, later expanding to 4?
Created on: 18 Oct 2016 11:38
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Markus1900
Hello everyone,
I have read a lot of information by now, and I’m even more confused...
We are a couple, both 27 years old, and we want to build a house using prefabricated construction. We have researched companies carefully and narrowed down our options, and it will be a KfW 40 house.
Now the question about the heating system arises, and everyone tells me something different, whether they have already built, are currently building, or want to sell something (prefabricated house manufacturers).
Which heating system should we install for a household of 2 people, potentially up to 4 in the future?
The house will have about 160–170 sqm (1700–1830 sq ft) of living space and two full stories designed as a town villa. There will be no shading, and the house is planned to be almost square in shape.
Most suggest that we should aim for KfW 40+ and install an air-to-water heat pump with a photovoltaic system and battery storage.
However, someone else said that for a house like this, installing a photovoltaic system with storage is not financially worthwhile, as it would never pay off...
Could someone please help me?????
I have read a lot of information by now, and I’m even more confused...
We are a couple, both 27 years old, and we want to build a house using prefabricated construction. We have researched companies carefully and narrowed down our options, and it will be a KfW 40 house.
Now the question about the heating system arises, and everyone tells me something different, whether they have already built, are currently building, or want to sell something (prefabricated house manufacturers).
Which heating system should we install for a household of 2 people, potentially up to 4 in the future?
The house will have about 160–170 sqm (1700–1830 sq ft) of living space and two full stories designed as a town villa. There will be no shading, and the house is planned to be almost square in shape.
Most suggest that we should aim for KfW 40+ and install an air-to-water heat pump with a photovoltaic system and battery storage.
However, someone else said that for a house like this, installing a photovoltaic system with storage is not financially worthwhile, as it would never pay off...
Could someone please help me?????
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elVincent18 Oct 2016 18:53I’m not a fan of “a bit of everything” either, but especially with a KfW40 house, which is already at the lower end of the energy consumption scale and close to energy self-sufficiency, a sensible combination makes sense. If you strictly decide based on cost-benefit analysis, you won’t be able to justify solar thermal systems or a battery storage for the photovoltaic system.
In the long run, the type of heating system doesn’t significantly affect heating costs. However, no one can predict the future prices of electricity, gas, pellets, or oil. Therefore, a level of self-sufficiency is the easiest way to become independent from these fluctuations. And it doesn’t require that many elements to achieve this.
In the long run, the type of heating system doesn’t significantly affect heating costs. However, no one can predict the future prices of electricity, gas, pellets, or oil. Therefore, a level of self-sufficiency is the easiest way to become independent from these fluctuations. And it doesn’t require that many elements to achieve this.
Based on your description, a underfloor heating system is installed, correct? Many prefab home builders often recommend an air-to-water heat pump, which I am somewhat skeptical about. I also believe that in your case, an air-to-water heat pump or preferably a ground-source heat pump using horizontal ground collectors or deep drilling would be more appropriate. Solar thermal systems are probably less effective; photovoltaic panels might be better, but those can also be added later if needed.
With good heating system planning, you might be able to use a ground-source heat pump without a buffer tank and expansion vessel, which would save costs. Combined with the BAFA subsidy, this could make the setup quite financially attractive.
With good heating system planning, you might be able to use a ground-source heat pump without a buffer tank and expansion vessel, which would save costs. Combined with the BAFA subsidy, this could make the setup quite financially attractive.
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Markus190019 Oct 2016 07:08Yes, exactly. The decision is basically between a KfW 40 Plus house with a photovoltaic system of about 5 kW, including a buffer tank and an air-to-water heat pump, or just an air-to-water heat pump without the photovoltaic system and buffer tank.
Someone also tried to persuade us to use an air-to-air heat pump, but I think that can be disregarded. Underfloor heating works better with the air-to-water system, or am I wrong?
The question is simply whether it will ever pay off, but we were told it probably won’t. After about 20 years, the solar panels will likely need to be disposed of, which will cost a lot of money. The batteries will also have to be replaced, so the "Plus" option might even be more expensive—even with subsidies.
But as I said, I’m personally still undecided whether to go with or without it.
Someone also tried to persuade us to use an air-to-air heat pump, but I think that can be disregarded. Underfloor heating works better with the air-to-water system, or am I wrong?
The question is simply whether it will ever pay off, but we were told it probably won’t. After about 20 years, the solar panels will likely need to be disposed of, which will cost a lot of money. The batteries will also have to be replaced, so the "Plus" option might even be more expensive—even with subsidies.
But as I said, I’m personally still undecided whether to go with or without it.
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elVincent19 Oct 2016 08:24Before starting our construction project, I requested a quote for a 6 kWp photovoltaic system and found that, including battery storage, the payback period was just under 20 years (which roughly corresponds to the lifespan of the components, with the battery possibly being shorter). Without storage, the payback period was about 10 years. The increased self-consumption through energy storage currently does not justify the additional costs given the current battery prices.
The situation changes, of course, if the battery storage is partly funded through the KfW40+ repayment subsidy and possibly Program 275 (I’m not sure if they can be combined). In that case, a large portion of the costs is covered, and the system pays off faster.
If you decide in principle to go with photovoltaics (with or without a battery), a heat pump is the obvious choice for the heating system. I do not consider using air as the heat transfer medium inside the house to be practical, so an air-to-air heat pump is out. Among the other options, the efficiency of a ground-source (brine) or water-source heat pump is higher than that of an air-to-water heat pump. The installation costs for the heat source are €0 for an air-to-water heat pump, between €2,500 and €10,000 for ground-source systems depending on the setup, and likely highest for water-source systems, which also come with the most regulatory requirements.
The situation changes, of course, if the battery storage is partly funded through the KfW40+ repayment subsidy and possibly Program 275 (I’m not sure if they can be combined). In that case, a large portion of the costs is covered, and the system pays off faster.
If you decide in principle to go with photovoltaics (with or without a battery), a heat pump is the obvious choice for the heating system. I do not consider using air as the heat transfer medium inside the house to be practical, so an air-to-air heat pump is out. Among the other options, the efficiency of a ground-source (brine) or water-source heat pump is higher than that of an air-to-water heat pump. The installation costs for the heat source are €0 for an air-to-water heat pump, between €2,500 and €10,000 for ground-source systems depending on the setup, and likely highest for water-source systems, which also come with the most regulatory requirements.
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Markus190021 Oct 2016 06:31Thank you all for the help!!!! I will probably go with an air-to-water heat pump with photovoltaic preparation now, and possibly retrofit everything later if batteries become cheaper...
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