ᐅ Which level of finishing is appropriate for an attic reserved for future expansion?
Created on: 30 Jul 2019 22:41
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allstar83
Hello everyone,
We are currently in the initial discussions with suppliers for a new single-family home with a gable roof. The attic is planned as a future living space while the children are still small and will be used until then as storage, a playroom, and a basement substitute.
Unfortunately, everyone says something different regarding the "stage of completion" that should be commissioned initially so that a possible later conversion does not involve too much work.
The house is planned with underfloor heating on the ground floor and district heating.
What would you recommend including in a house built by a general contractor to be able to "use" the attic in its unfinished state as described above?
It would be great if someone could share tips and experience about which combinations make sense here.
Thanks and best regards
We are currently in the initial discussions with suppliers for a new single-family home with a gable roof. The attic is planned as a future living space while the children are still small and will be used until then as storage, a playroom, and a basement substitute.
Unfortunately, everyone says something different regarding the "stage of completion" that should be commissioned initially so that a possible later conversion does not involve too much work.
The house is planned with underfloor heating on the ground floor and district heating.
What would you recommend including in a house built by a general contractor to be able to "use" the attic in its unfinished state as described above?
- Insulation of the concrete ceiling or roof insulation?
- Have the screed installed right away?
- Would it possibly make sense to completely skip underfloor heating in the attic (because the room layout is still unknown) and just have screed installed?
- Install windows upfront or keep everything closed?
- Have pipes and wiring pre-installed running up to the attic?
- Plaster the attic walls?
- etc.
It would be great if someone could share tips and experience about which combinations make sense here.
Thanks and best regards
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pffreestyler3 Aug 2019 17:39Make sure to install the plaster on the gable ends right away. You’ll regret it if you don’t.
Can’t you have the underfloor heating installed now? It doesn’t have to be connected yet. Having two systems side by side could reduce the efficiency of the underfloor heating later on.
How are you handling the stairs? Are you leaving just an opening at first, or installing a full staircase immediately? If the latter, I’d suggest considering the railing placement in the upper floor plan so the railing isn’t too short or too long later on.
Can’t you have the underfloor heating installed now? It doesn’t have to be connected yet. Having two systems side by side could reduce the efficiency of the underfloor heating later on.
How are you handling the stairs? Are you leaving just an opening at first, or installing a full staircase immediately? If the latter, I’d suggest considering the railing placement in the upper floor plan so the railing isn’t too short or too long later on.
allstar83 schrieb:
and insulate the ceiling belowWhat exactly do you mean?
If you place the insulation ON the screed, you won’t have a proper floor again. If you put it under the screed onto the concrete slab, the thickness won’t meet the energy saving requirements. Installing it below the concrete slab in a suspended ceiling becomes a complex building physics challenge.
Once the screed is laid, you can/should also install underfloor heating right away. For an attic of about 40m² (430 ft²), that should hardly cost more than 1500€. Upgrading the heating system alone to run radiators (e.g., adding a mixing valve) will cost about the same, and the pipes and radiators themselves probably about the same amount again. Plus, you will have permanently higher heating costs. In short: financially, that would be a big mistake.
In the end, this approach only “saves” the extra costs that arise if you insulate the roof instead of the ceiling (which is a slightly larger area). But considering that the insulation both on top of the screed and below the ceiling also needs to be finished or covered, while insulation in the roof slope could remain exposed for now (with vapor barrier), and drywall could be done later as a DIY project after moving in, I just don’t see any real savings potential.
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allstar833 Aug 2019 18:24pffreestyler schrieb:
Can’t you have the underfloor heating installed now? It doesn’t have to be connected yet. Having two systems running side by side could later reduce the efficiency of the underfloor heating.
How are you handling the stairs? Just an opening at first or a full staircase? If the latter: I would plan the railing based on the upper floor layout, so the railing isn’t too short or too long later.It’s possible, but any potential expansion (if it even happens) is still far in the future. It’s also somewhat a matter of budget.We will have a proper staircase since we intend to use the attic floor as a basement equivalent—for storage and as a hobby space (e.g., rehearsal room, etc.).
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allstar833 Aug 2019 18:27Dr Hix schrieb:
What does this mean?
If you place the insulation ON the screed, you don't have a "proper floor" again. If you place it under the screed on the concrete slab, the thickness is not sufficient to meet the energy saving regulations. Thanks for the hint.
That was the plan from the general contractor. However, the insulation was supposed to be thicker than usual. I will ask about it.
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