Hello everyone,
we are building a two-story house with a finished attic (some work for the attic will take place later), including a mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery.
Regarding the plaster:
I am currently considering cement-lime plaster. A friend who is an architect recommended clay plaster for the living areas, which I find interesting, but it is supposed to be significantly more expensive.
Area for plastering: approximately 550 m² (about 5920 sq ft) = around 7,500 €.
Regarding the painting work:
The ceilings (191 m² / about 2057 sq ft) will be done by professionals, including filling joints and subsequent smoothing.
I planned to just paint the walls (455 m² / about 4898 sq ft, excluding the attic), possibly doing some filling beforehand.
I contacted two painters, and both recommend using fleece on the ceilings and walls to prevent cracks.
Painter A:
- Covering/protection work
- Remove formwork release agent from ceilings
- Priming = prime surfaces with water-based deep primer diluted with water
- Close ceiling joints with mesh tape
- Filling = plaster walls to Q3 level. Apply and smooth the entire surface with gypsum filler, then sand the surface.
- Wallpapering = apply fleece wallpaper butt jointed on prepared surfaces (fleece wallpaper 180 g/m²)
- Painting = paint ceilings/walls twice with dispersion paint.
Wet abrasion resistance: Class 2
Opacity: Class 1
Gloss level: matte
His price = 15,000 €.
Painter B:
- Fill joints three times.
- Apply fleece on ceilings and paint twice.
- Finish corners.
- Fill walls, apply fleece, and paint twice.
His price: 13,000 €.
Possibly doing it myself = I feel confident painting myself, as I painted our current apartment. I think with Painter A I could exclude the painting, but with Painter B that is not possible.
Question:
Regarding the plaster: should I stick with cement-lime plaster?
I find clay plaster interesting, and one plasterer told me over the phone: clay plaster is more expensive, but the painter might have less work.
Regarding the painting work: is using fleece really useful (another painter said cracks will appear regardless)? Is it worth painting myself, or better to have it done professionally?
I want all walls in white, no fancy finishes.
Thanks a lot!!!
we are building a two-story house with a finished attic (some work for the attic will take place later), including a mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery.
Regarding the plaster:
I am currently considering cement-lime plaster. A friend who is an architect recommended clay plaster for the living areas, which I find interesting, but it is supposed to be significantly more expensive.
Area for plastering: approximately 550 m² (about 5920 sq ft) = around 7,500 €.
Regarding the painting work:
The ceilings (191 m² / about 2057 sq ft) will be done by professionals, including filling joints and subsequent smoothing.
I planned to just paint the walls (455 m² / about 4898 sq ft, excluding the attic), possibly doing some filling beforehand.
I contacted two painters, and both recommend using fleece on the ceilings and walls to prevent cracks.
Painter A:
- Covering/protection work
- Remove formwork release agent from ceilings
- Priming = prime surfaces with water-based deep primer diluted with water
- Close ceiling joints with mesh tape
- Filling = plaster walls to Q3 level. Apply and smooth the entire surface with gypsum filler, then sand the surface.
- Wallpapering = apply fleece wallpaper butt jointed on prepared surfaces (fleece wallpaper 180 g/m²)
- Painting = paint ceilings/walls twice with dispersion paint.
Wet abrasion resistance: Class 2
Opacity: Class 1
Gloss level: matte
His price = 15,000 €.
Painter B:
- Fill joints three times.
- Apply fleece on ceilings and paint twice.
- Finish corners.
- Fill walls, apply fleece, and paint twice.
His price: 13,000 €.
Possibly doing it myself = I feel confident painting myself, as I painted our current apartment. I think with Painter A I could exclude the painting, but with Painter B that is not possible.
Question:
Regarding the plaster: should I stick with cement-lime plaster?
I find clay plaster interesting, and one plasterer told me over the phone: clay plaster is more expensive, but the painter might have less work.
Regarding the painting work: is using fleece really useful (another painter said cracks will appear regardless)? Is it worth painting myself, or better to have it done professionally?
I want all walls in white, no fancy finishes.
Thanks a lot!!!
Vicky Pedia21 Mar 2020 14:17Nothing going on here! Not even pseudo wisdom.
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nordanney21 Mar 2020 14:48Clay plaster is not wallpapered. If you plan to wallpaper, you might as well skip clay plaster altogether. It can also be applied directly in color, including with various textures. If painting is desired, there are special paints made specifically for it. I think clay plaster is great, but it is quite expensive. However, settlement cracks are inevitable.
Clay is really great
Ideally, use a clay base coat plaster, then apply a finishing plaster on top = perfect
If I stick with clay plaster, it should be smoothed, and then I’ll paint over it with either a clay paint or a textured paint. Which option makes more sense, clay paint or textured paint?
Ideally, use a clay base coat plaster, then apply a finishing plaster on top = perfect
If I stick with clay plaster, it should be smoothed, and then I’ll paint over it with either a clay paint or a textured paint. Which option makes more sense, clay paint or textured paint?
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hampshire21 Mar 2020 19:25We chose clay plaster. Our painter/plasterer uses the Lesando system. The clay is pigmented throughout and is not painted. You can add texture elements into the plaster – we mixed in some straw. If you look closely, you can see it; otherwise, it just looks like a warm, lively wall.
The note about settlement cracks is correct – the painter/plasterer is aware of this. We have a timber frame house built by a carpenter. The wood naturally still moves a bit, and cracks appear at the corners of the rooms. That’s why the painter/plasterer has already scored a crack at those spots with a utility knife – it will expand somewhat. He will come back in a few months to repair those areas. So everything is planned for.
In the two close-up photos from our house, the colors do not appear as they are due to the mobile phone camera and artificial lighting, and shadows are also disruptive – but the texture and the crack at the room corners are probably still visible.
The note about settlement cracks is correct – the painter/plasterer is aware of this. We have a timber frame house built by a carpenter. The wood naturally still moves a bit, and cracks appear at the corners of the rooms. That’s why the painter/plasterer has already scored a crack at those spots with a utility knife – it will expand somewhat. He will come back in a few months to repair those areas. So everything is planned for.
In the two close-up photos from our house, the colors do not appear as they are due to the mobile phone camera and artificial lighting, and shadows are also disruptive – but the texture and the crack at the room corners are probably still visible.
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