ᐅ What is included when hiring an architect? What additional costs for plans should be expected?
Created on: 21 Apr 2014 10:55
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exerfoe
Hello everyone,
We are planning to build with an architect and have received a proposal from the architect that generally complies with the HOAI 2013.
However, I am wondering if the costs for additional specialist planners will be added. For example, structural engineering and building services design (are there others?), which are also separately listed in the HOAI. Or are these already included in the total fee, with the architect receiving less if these services are outsourced.
Thank you very much and best regards
exerfoe
We are planning to build with an architect and have received a proposal from the architect that generally complies with the HOAI 2013.
However, I am wondering if the costs for additional specialist planners will be added. For example, structural engineering and building services design (are there others?), which are also separately listed in the HOAI. Or are these already included in the total fee, with the architect receiving less if these services are outsourced.
Thank you very much and best regards
exerfoe
Hmm, we have been quoted significantly lower prices for the structural engineer so far. That makes me a bit suspicious – but it probably depends a lot on the house.
We want to commission services phases 1-8. The real question was what additional plan costs might come up, and now I have a better idea. Thanks for that!
I’m also open to the idea of a construction manager, although that presents the challenge of finding a “good” one. We already find it difficult with architects, as we’ve realized very few people actually work directly with an architect, making it hard to get recommendations. It will likely be similar with a construction manager. :-(
One of the architects on our shortlist mainly works on existing buildings – which should actually be an advantage, since it’s probably more demanding/complex than building on a greenfield site, right?
As a contingency – which the architect doesn’t include – we would calculate 10-15%. Plus a known contingency that is not allocated in the plans. So far, everyone tells us that costs can be estimated fairly well – but they also point out the risk that these are only estimates, so they include a contingency. Hence, two contingencies.
Best regards!
We want to commission services phases 1-8. The real question was what additional plan costs might come up, and now I have a better idea. Thanks for that!
I’m also open to the idea of a construction manager, although that presents the challenge of finding a “good” one. We already find it difficult with architects, as we’ve realized very few people actually work directly with an architect, making it hard to get recommendations. It will likely be similar with a construction manager. :-(
One of the architects on our shortlist mainly works on existing buildings – which should actually be an advantage, since it’s probably more demanding/complex than building on a greenfield site, right?
As a contingency – which the architect doesn’t include – we would calculate 10-15%. Plus a known contingency that is not allocated in the plans. So far, everyone tells us that costs can be estimated fairly well – but they also point out the risk that these are only estimates, so they include a contingency. Hence, two contingencies.
Best regards!
exerfoe schrieb:
As a contingency—the architect is not aware of this—we would calculate with a 10-15% buffer. Plus a known buffer that is not allocated in the budget. So far, everyone tells us that costs can actually be estimated quite well but also point out the risk that these are only estimates, which is why a buffer is planned. That’s why there are two.
Best regards!I would definitely plan for the possibility that prices for individual trades may increase due to price hikes.
So what the architect budgets for could be 5-10% more expensive next year when the trades are carried out.
Additionally, in the final planning of plumbing and tiling, a more expensive finish might still be chosen, so add another 10% here as well.
exerfoe schrieb:
As a contingency that the architect is not aware of, we would calculate with 10-15%. Plus a known buffer that is not allocated in the budget. So far, everyone tells us that the costs can actually be estimated quite well – but they also point out the risk that these are only estimates and therefore a buffer should be included. That’s why two.
Best regards!I would definitely plan for the possibility that prices for the various trades may change due to price increases.
What the architect plans for can be 5-10% more expensive next year (when the trades are carried out).
Also, in the final planning of plumbing and tiling, a more expensive taste might be chosen, so here too add about 10%.
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