ᐅ Recirculating Range Hood in New Build KfW40/Energy-Efficient Home – Any Experiences?

kbt09 schrieb:

It’s also particularly about exchanging possibly humid air ... cooking pasta, etc.

That’s nicely put! Most people just want to get rid of the “cooking smells.”

Arauki11 schrieb:

Fortunately, I don’t know many of those things, and that’s why I don’t miss them.

Delete “and that’s why” and replace with “therefore.”

chand1986 schrieb:

If you fry regularly and sometimes even deep-fry, cheap convection ventilation is not sufficient.

Not sufficient for what exactly? It depends on what you want to achieve.

chand1986 schrieb:

(I’m mentioning this because the argument “you don’t miss what you don’t know” is not a good one. If it were, you wouldn’t know what you need…)

Actually, it is exactly that: Good! “You don’t miss what you don’t know” is fundamentally vital for an individual’s survival. Of course, this doesn’t apply in consumer societies where people boredly search Amazon, Tchibo, and Temu over and over to see what else they might need. If you like that?! I have also gone through that phase briefly — ultimately, none of those items stayed at home but were given away, sold, thrown out, or taken to work. Things you don’t need but think you do.
The same applies to kitchen purchases and selections: some choose everything and often have many items twice in the kitchen, as if it were free. I won’t go into detail here. Everyone has to decide for themselves what to spend their money on. The OP, at least, seems to be thinking about WHAT they actually need and not what they _could_ need just because others _think_ they might need it.

chand1986 schrieb:

Exactly. And my recommendation is to specify the application.

Yes, that’s something I often miss in threads here—whether something could suit everyone. But it’s precisely the individuality of the user that makes the real difference. If something bothers me or is important for my wellbeing, price takes a backseat and I buy the best-suited option, because otherwise I would feel uncomfortable with it.

chand1986 schrieb:

For a steam oven/convection oven kitchen where frying is not done indoors and is more likely done on the balcony, a standard convection setting is sufficient.

We do cook (live) here, too, but rarely fry—and if we do… it’s on the grill. Also, there are no longer any little ones around here with a demand for fish sticks...

chand1986 schrieb:

If you’re searing sharply indoors, pickling green herrings, preparing 3kg (6.6 lbs) of meat patties for buffets, or making large amounts of fried potatoes on a hot plate (those are really odor-intensive messes for us), you simply need a different solution. In that case, I recommend ducted extraction or very high-quality convection models.

I’ll find your address if you tell me a time—I’d be happy to check out your range hood while I sample the quality of these culinary disasters.

I totally understand you; generally, I prefer fewer things, but usually the “better” ones. If I had such a passion for cooking, my text would be completely different. I think you know what I mean.

@chand1986 I see some of the usual suspects in kitchens here (Bora, etc.), but quite often without the corresponding passion for cooking; sometimes it’s even rather weak. When I try to understand that someone installs such a system maybe just for aesthetic or design reasons, I can accept that… why not.

What I cannot understand, however, is when in the same house people sit on a completely low-quality sofa or just hang random ready-made pictures from a furniture store on the walls. What I miss is a broad and understandable desire for quality for themselves (after all, you also spend a lot of time sitting comfortably) or for other beautiful or lovingly designed elements in the home. Sometimes I’m almost shocked when I see such a discrepancy. A Bentley in the kitchen and plastic covers from a discount store in the Bentley. I do believe that currently the kitchen topic is experiencing a disproportionately high trend in new builds, which does not align with the general cooking behavior.

In this respect, your comment fully applies:

chand1986 schrieb:

Right. And my recommendation is to specify the use case.

…even if that use case is simply that it should look fancy or bold. Unfortunately, all I read is:

PMW1993 schrieb:

We would like to install a recirculation cooker hood (Bora, Neff, or something similar).

…with no necessary explanation of why they opted for this (technology, performance, need, appearance…). So – the original poster will probably just add an extra tilt-and-turn window now…

chand1986 schrieb:

I admit, I’m a fan of ducted extraction.

…as long as that remains the only fetish.

chand1986 schrieb:

We often also have vents or range hoods running that release steam for hours.

Here, I see the use case more as "exhaust air" or an increased demand for it.

And anyone planning a new house and considering exhaust air can also include a fresh air intake solution specifically for this purpose in the design. Weibel fresh air boxes. This saves opening windows, which often causes uncontrolled and uncomfortable drafts, and directly supplies fresh air for the exhaust.

Odors cannot be avoided with any kitchen ventilation solution. After all, the food doesn’t go from the cooktop into a hermetically sealed container but to the dining table to be eaten together. And the food doesn’t stop smelling there. In most cases, it should be a rather pleasant odor.

Arauki11 schrieb:

I cannot understand sitting on a completely low-quality sofa or just hanging any mass-produced pictures from big-box furniture stores on the walls in the same house.

I feel the same way...

ypg schrieb:

This also applies to buying or selecting kitchen fixtures: some people sample everything

... and then forget to focus on ergonomic layout and workflows. In the end, it doesn’t get used as originally intended.

ypg schrieb:

Yes, exactly that: Good! "You don’t miss what you don’t know" is fundamentally vital for an individual’s survival. Of course, this doesn’t apply in consumer societies, where people boredly Google Amazon, Tchibo, and Temu over and over to see what else they might need. Who likes that?! I went through that phase myself for a short time – in the end, nothing stayed in the house; everything was given away, sold, thrown out, or taken to work. Things you don’t really need but think you do.

Hmm… I meant that literally, not in relation to mental stability. People don’t miss medications they don’t know about either; they manage with the consequences of illnesses when they have to.
Knowing what you truly need comes from your experience with things you wanted but turned out to be useless. So, it’s because you know them, not because you don’t.
Otherwise, I agree with your description of excessive consumption.

Arauki11 schrieb:

What I find missing then is a broad and understandable desire for quality for its own sake (after all, people spend a lot of time sitting comfortably) or for other beautiful or lovingly designed things in the home. Sometimes I’m almost shocked when I see such a discrepancy.

For us, that desire for an aesthetic that matches our taste runs consistently through everything. But first, you need a taste. I know very likable people who have none. Zero. But they don’t miss anything either and are satisfied – which is totally fine. Just not transferable to, for example, me.

Arauki11 schrieb:

I really enjoy looking at your range hood once in a while... while I’m checking the quality of these culinary disasters.

Compared to the food, the hood is very affordable. Exhaust with a 200mm (8 inch) duct doesn’t need technology above a small standard, as the duct is the bottleneck at smaller diameters. We took over my parents’ 17-year-old hood along with their kitchen. We ventilate our split-level house from top to bottom using the hood when we want. Today, I would invest money in noise reduction.

chand1986 schrieb:

Knowing what you really need comes from your experience with things you wanted but later turned out to be unnecessary. So, you know because you’ve experienced them, not because you don’t know them.

That is often just the consequence.

chand1986 schrieb:

People don’t miss medicines they don’t know about; instead, they cope with the consequences of illnesses if they have to.

I mean exactly the same as you – people adapt to a condition or problem when they do not know anything else. However, I wouldn’t call it adapting, because there is no questioning or critical attitude involved.
Look how happy we all were before globalization. Nobody knew about smart homes and was perfectly fine with their light switch.
When we built our house—which we've now lived in for over 10 years (10 years)—this forum already existed, but certain appliances were only installed in premium kitchens by kitchen studios. I didn’t even bother to look at them.
I’m not sure if the holes in kitchen islands already existed back then, but there were recirculation hoods built into a “lamp.” We have a completely normal recirculation hood like everyone else in the neighborhood—it does what it’s supposed to. I have never seen Berbel, Bora, or similar in action, so I don’t miss them.
I turn on my Franke hood and that’s that. If it bothers me, I turn it off. I don’t question it nor do I wonder if I would be happier with a new, different one. When I think about a new kitchen, I know about one or two features that need to be included, but the extraction or recirculation concept is not one of them.
In my view, that sentence is good because my needs are met and that makes me happy. I don’t miss anything because I don’t know it.

chand1986 schrieb:

I’m writing this because the argument “you don’t miss what you don’t know” is not a good one. If that were true, you wouldn’t know what you actually need...