Hello!
I had the landscaping contractor on site, and he told me to make sure that the general contractor leaves the construction site clean. He even said that if cigarette butts are left on the property afterwards, he would charge for waste disposal by subcontractors. Is that normal?
The general contractor, of course, says that he is not responsible for picking up his workers’ cigarette butts and considers small Poroton crumbs as acceptable residue left on the site. Now I’m not sure where exactly the line is—what does the general contractor have to do and what not? It’s actually quite simple: if I know what he is required to do, I can formally ask him to fully clean the property upon completing his work and report back to me. Then I can photograph any remaining debris, set a deadline for cleanup, and refer to deductions from the final payment if necessary.
Another point of discussion will definitely be all the “small” plaster residues in the bushes, etc.
How was it on your construction sites? The contract says nothing about this... sometimes you read about the interior being handed over “broom clean” — but I cannot find any similar term for final site condition outdoors and don’t know what is generally expected there.
I had the landscaping contractor on site, and he told me to make sure that the general contractor leaves the construction site clean. He even said that if cigarette butts are left on the property afterwards, he would charge for waste disposal by subcontractors. Is that normal?
The general contractor, of course, says that he is not responsible for picking up his workers’ cigarette butts and considers small Poroton crumbs as acceptable residue left on the site. Now I’m not sure where exactly the line is—what does the general contractor have to do and what not? It’s actually quite simple: if I know what he is required to do, I can formally ask him to fully clean the property upon completing his work and report back to me. Then I can photograph any remaining debris, set a deadline for cleanup, and refer to deductions from the final payment if necessary.
Another point of discussion will definitely be all the “small” plaster residues in the bushes, etc.
How was it on your construction sites? The contract says nothing about this... sometimes you read about the interior being handed over “broom clean” — but I cannot find any similar term for final site condition outdoors and don’t know what is generally expected there.
Nordlys schrieb:
Applying the finishing coat to the window sills and sealing them with the interior reveals to be painted or wallpapered is the painter’s job. Then they seal the joint between the frame and the sill with acrylic, not silicone. No, no, no. That is incorrect. Please do not spread such misinformation!
The window must be sealed airtight on the inside before the window sill is installed and plastered. The painter is not involved in airtightness at all!
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I have a building surveyor and a specialist lawyer for construction and architectural law. The general contractor is responsible for site management. Yeah. No wonder.
Zaba12 schrieb:
I don’t really follow your thread, but I check in from time to time. When I read something like this, I’m really glad to be working with individual contractors, where each trade is known to me personally and has a local reputation to uphold.
Edit: Don’t you have a construction coordinator who represents your interests?
It seems your general contractor is underpaying the trades, so none of them take proper responsibility. So far, my plumbing and structural contractors are communicating with each other about ventilation, openings, and related issues. That won’t get you anywhere at all. Sorry, we believed that too back then, but it’s not the case!
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R.Hotzenplotz7 Oct 2018 19:39Bookstar schrieb:
That is completely useless to you. Sorry, we believed that back then too, but it’s not the case!Let’s just leave this fundamental discussion at the fact that both a general contractor (GC) build can succeed or fail—and the same applies exactly to construction with individual trades.
One street over there is an "architect-designed house" that has been under construction since 2014... unplastered, windows installed, roof in place... the basement resembles a dripstone cave, and numerous experts and lawyers have so far been unable to clearly identify the cause. The homeowners are mentally exhausted... the electrical wiring is already moldy and needs to be torn out. These are truly unfortunate people who I feel deeply sorry for. An example where this highly praised model of separate contracting also failed.
Hotzenplotz, I only know how it was in our case, and the painter, my brother, thought it was completely normal that the window sills were simply glued in place. The process is basically window installation. Then later, the interior plaster is applied. After the sills are glued in with construction foam. This is done by the joiners, similar to when they install door frames. So, who takes care of the transitions? Well, the painter. Since he is already filling the walls, he also seals the joints to make them airtight. Working with sealants like acrylic is also his responsibility. The painter also handles the gaps between door frames and walls or over tile skirting boards. Karsten
PS This does not refer to masking the window frames with sealing tape. That is done by the joiners during installation.
PS This does not refer to masking the window frames with sealing tape. That is done by the joiners during installation.
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R.Hotzenplotz7 Oct 2018 19:42So, did you also have drafts coming in until the painter arrived? I can't imagine that such a "window sealing" is normal.
What do you specifically think about the expert’s text I quoted? Do you disagree with him at any point?
What do you specifically think about the expert’s text I quoted? Do you disagree with him at any point?
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