ᐅ Two young couples are considering building a house but have little experience so far.

Created on: 19 Jan 2012 18:48
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racmarsl
Hello dear community,

yes, the topic title pretty much sums it up.

We (my girlfriend and I) registered here mainly to read along a bit. Of course, there is a reason behind it, but first a brief background and the current idea developing.

Recently, the two of us went with a very close couple to a prefab house exhibition in Wuppertal. The original plan was just to enjoy the nice weather on Sunday. When we were inside a house by Hanse Haus, we were happily discussing the concept to understand it better, when a very friendly sales representative overheard us, came out of his office, and started a pleasant conversation with us. Naturally, he was a salesperson through and through, but he also gave us some useful ideas.

So now, the four of us are openly considering buying property. It was clear that this would happen at some point, but not exactly now, since we are all in our mid-20s or just above.
But is this relatively young age a dealbreaker when it comes to building a home? Probably not.

Now, quickly to the idea... We are considering purchasing a house that should be divided into two semi-detached units. We would like to live close together because the two ladies have been friends since childhood. Basically, each of us would have their own semi-detached unit with separate construction financing. Everything should be contractually and legally separate.

So... many questions, issues, and so on arise, especially since we are all complete beginners when it comes to buying property.

What should we consider? Are there any reasons to avoid a prefab house? What should we pay attention to when choosing the right company? Is there generally a price range for such a house that could indicate good quality materials, or is it even appropriate to say anything about that here?

What should be considered when choosing the right construction financing? What kinds of securities might one need to provide? Does this depend on the amount of financing? Both parties have equity available. Roughly speaking, what can one expect from a bank if there are two permanent jobs with normal salaries and capital in the low five-figure range?

These are the questions that come to mind right now, but surely there is much more we haven’t thought of yet or that raises further questions. We are very grateful for any comments, reactions, suggestions, ideas, or any other feedback.

Oh yes, one more thing to mention — this will not be a turnkey build. We want to do a lot ourselves due to our own craftsmanship skills and trusted people nearby. Can the work and materials provided personally be somehow included in the construction financing, or would a separate loan be necessary if one has a rough overview of the costs?

I hope this does not all sound too clumsy, but naturally, there are many questions when you are new to something — and that applies here as well. Sorry for the long text, but I hope you’ll get through it and still want to reply.

Best regards from Wuppertal
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Bauexperte
23 Jan 2012 22:58
Hello,
racmarsl schrieb:
But thanks for the thought process that maybe you should clarify the land first...

I still think that is the wrong approach; what use is a nice plot if you don’t know whether you can finance it, let alone realize/pay for/build your vision of “your” house on it… Anyway.

As for the financer, have your discussion first and then take it from there.

Kind regards
M
Micha&Dany
24 Jan 2012 05:38
Bauexperte schrieb:
What use is a beautiful plot of land if you don’t know whether you can finance it, let alone realize/pay/build your idea of "your" house there?

Hello Bauexperte,

Counter question: What use is planning your dream home if you can’t find a plot where the local building regulations allow you to build it?

You only know if you can afford the land and the house once you have a plot in sight. What is the price per square meter? What is allowed or required to be built there?

Our "dream house" would have been about 50,000 euros cheaper than the house we have to build on the plot we bought. What use is financing for a house I’m not allowed to build?

But then the question arises again: Should I rather compromise on the location of the plot, for example build right next to the highway, or compromise on the house and live somewhere quiet where my children can safely play outside?
That’s something everyone has to decide for themselves!

That is why my approach is:
(1) Find a plot and ask about the price
(2) Get non-binding quotes for the house allowed according to the local building plan (it probably won’t be the dream house)
(3) Ask the bank if I can afford the entire package

Best regards,
Micha
B
Bauexperte
24 Jan 2012 11:07
Hello Micha,
Micha&Dany schrieb:
Counter question: What use is it to plan your dream house if you cannot find a plot of land where you are allowed to build it according to the building regulations?

It’s not primarily about dream houses or dream plots; first and foremost, the financing must be secured! Only when you know how much money you can spend can you freely decide how much money you want to spend. Only then does the story of the dream house/plot and balancing personal preferences come into play; building is not only about fun and excitement, but always involves making compromises.
Micha&Dany schrieb:
You only know if you can afford the plot and the house once you have a plot in sight. How much does the square meter cost? What am I allowed/required to build on it?

No, you have to stretch your “ceiling,” meaning, once you know how much money you have available, you can start looking for a plot and a house.
Micha&Dany schrieb:
Our “dream house” would have been about 50,000 euros cheaper than the house we are now building (which we have to build on the plot). What use is financing for a house I am not allowed to build?

I think we are talking past each other. When I talk about financing security, I don’t mean you should take out financing for a castle in the air, but rather clarify in advance what your maximum pain threshold for financing is; what the bank will actually approve for you in your specific case. Once you know this precisely — which usually only requires a 2.5-hour meeting — you can search within your means.
Micha&Dany schrieb:
But now the question arises again: do I prefer to compromise on the location of the plot and build, for example, right next to the highway, or do I compromise on the house and live quietly so my children can safely play outside? Everyone has to decide that for themselves!

Yep, as I already said, building means making compromises.
Micha&Dany schrieb:
Therefore, my approach is:
(1) Find a plot and ask what it costs
(2) Get non-binding offers for the house you are allowed to build on it according to the building regulations (it won’t be the dream house)
(3) Ask the bank if I can afford the whole package

Nope, first step is 3 — ask the bank what you can afford at most, then decide what you want to afford, and then 1, followed by 2. This approach also protects you from disappointments; what if your appetite is bigger than your stomach can handle?

Kind regards
M
Micha&Dany
24 Jan 2012 18:01
Hi again!
Bauexperte schrieb:
Building is not just fun and games, it always involves making compromises

We completely agree on that
Bauexperte schrieb:

I think we’re talking past each other.

Could be *g*

Bauexperte schrieb:

When I talk about financial security, I don’t mean that you should take out financing on a pipe dream, but rather clarify in advance what your maximum pain threshold is when it comes to financing;

Yes, okay – I had automatically assumed that I at least know the financial framework I can operate within.
Bauexperte schrieb:

Nope, first (3) – ask the bank what maximum you can afford, then decide what you want to afford, and only then (1), and afterwards (2). This approach will also protect you from disappointments; what if your appetite is bigger than your stomach can handle?

Okay – first (3), then (1), then (2), and finally bindingly (3).

Best regards
Micha
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racmarsl
24 Jan 2012 19:10
You two are really hardworking here

I just want to quickly clarify something about the plot and so on.

I already understand. I didn’t want to search for a plot first and then ask the bank if my finances would allow it. Either way, I would have asked the bank first what we are allowed to do, and then started the search ^^

But basically, for us, the location is more important than the house itself. Of course, it should be nice and not just a shack because the location is good, but even with a “not dream house,” you can achieve a lot through good floor plans, suitable interior design, etc., to have something really nice in the long run. Hopefully, you agree with me there *lol*

May I come back to my question from the last post about monthly costs/insurance etc.? It seems to have gotten lost with all the writing.

Wishing you a nice evening again!!
B
Bauexperte
24 Jan 2012 19:53
Hello,
racmarsl schrieb:
I hope you will agree with me *lol*
You are absolutely right
racmarsl schrieb:
May I return to my question from the last post regarding monthly costs/insurances, etc.?
Annual property tax bill (property tax, waste disposal, stormwater, and street cleaning – depends on how solvent your municipality is) – I pay €180.00 per quarter
Bi-monthly gas/electricity/water – depends on how the house is built, how often you shower, etc.
Insurances – depending on the insurance company – €300.00 to €500.00 per year
Chimney sweep – only for gas or wood stove – €90.00 per year
Telephone – depending on contract
Cable TV – depending on provider
Reserve fund for repairs – up to personal preference

Kind regards