Hello everyone,
great to see so much information being shared here to help out!
My question:
We have a budget of 200,000 for a turnkey house construction (including everything!). This means also garden, earthworks, foundation slab, etc. Please assume fully turnkey!
A basement is not necessarily planned, unless someone can convince me that having one, or even a partial basement, would be more cost-effective.
As I said, the house including all additional costs and everything around it should not exceed 200,000.
The plot of land is separate.
My question: Is this budget sufficient?
Alternatively: Would a semi-detached house be cheaper? I assume I would save only one wall and some land, right?
And—please calculate separately—what additional costs would peat soil add, expressed in Euros?
Many thanks in advance for your kind help and efforts!!!!
great to see so much information being shared here to help out!
My question:
We have a budget of 200,000 for a turnkey house construction (including everything!). This means also garden, earthworks, foundation slab, etc. Please assume fully turnkey!
A basement is not necessarily planned, unless someone can convince me that having one, or even a partial basement, would be more cost-effective.
As I said, the house including all additional costs and everything around it should not exceed 200,000.
The plot of land is separate.
My question: Is this budget sufficient?
Alternatively: Would a semi-detached house be cheaper? I assume I would save only one wall and some land, right?
And—please calculate separately—what additional costs would peat soil add, expressed in Euros?
Many thanks in advance for your kind help and efforts!!!!
B
Bauexperte6 Dec 2012 13:14Hello,
I’ll refrain from commenting on that; just so you know, I’d be happy to have them as a competitor on board.
Best regards
Gluecklich schrieb:
So here’s a very specific question again. What about this house: K13.2 Novum
It’s 1500 euros per square meter and fits within my budget.
Plus 140,000 for the land, 40,000 additional costs. Then I could still invest 15,000 in the garden and be in a great position. Right???
I’ll refrain from commenting on that; just so you know, I’d be happy to have them as a competitor on board.
Best regards
G
Gluecklich6 Dec 2012 18:33Bauexperte schrieb:
Hello,
I will refrain from commenting on that; just to say that I would be happy to have them as a competitor on board
Kind regardsNow you’ve said nothing meaningful. With Weberhaus, the experience was positive. The offer included a fixed-price guarantee, foundation slab, and so on. I don’t see any hidden costs there. Of course, in detail, there might be fewer power outlets, simpler fittings, etc. But the level of finishes can be upgraded if needed. Basically, I understand it as meaning that—if you take the house as offered—it’s all included as stated. What is wrong with that?
With Bauexperte, it reads as if the entire provider is worthless.
No, costs are always hidden. You will never pay the price you are initially quoted.
Some items that almost always require additional payment:
Outdoor faucet
Utility sink in the technical room
Roof over the entrance
Staircase in front of the entrance
Sealing of the foundation slab in areas without splash protection
Splash protection
Base plaster
Changes to the floor plan (even if they are minor)
Pull-down attic stairs
Larger water tank... The standard usually includes 100 liters (26 gallons) of hot water, which is not enough to fill a bathtub
If there is a fireplace: fire protection wall, or even the chimney usually costs extra
You could go on forever... there is always something once you get a detailed building specification.
And around that, you would be surprised what else can come up.
Some items that almost always require additional payment:
Outdoor faucet
Utility sink in the technical room
Roof over the entrance
Staircase in front of the entrance
Sealing of the foundation slab in areas without splash protection
Splash protection
Base plaster
Changes to the floor plan (even if they are minor)
Pull-down attic stairs
Larger water tank... The standard usually includes 100 liters (26 gallons) of hot water, which is not enough to fill a bathtub
If there is a fireplace: fire protection wall, or even the chimney usually costs extra
You could go on forever... there is always something once you get a detailed building specification.
And around that, you would be surprised what else can come up.
G
Gluecklich6 Dec 2012 23:37Okay, got it...
B
Bauexperte7 Dec 2012 00:15Hello,
In the small print of the advertisement, it says that the house – because it was awarded – is available as an offer for €225,000 and some change including the garage. If I then add “everything else” that distinguishes a qualitatively valuable house, I end up back where I would call the realistic sales price; “Der Da” nailed it once again. Nobody gives anything away, not even Kern-Haus. I refrain from commenting on this provider because I have often – instead of him – gone home with a contract; I provide full disclosure and not just in pieces!
I do admit that I try to select the “thinking along” homebuyers from the many inquiries. It is still very advisory-intensive, but I don’t have to engage in pointless discussions like “being cheap is cool.” This is by no means to say that I select my clientele based on their wallets – just two weeks ago I was able to accept a contract from an elderly lady. It mostly depends on attitude; regardless of any status thinking!
I am constantly writing about prices here; more than an approximate value is not possible. What is possible – and what €uro, E.Curb, Baucoach, myself, and many experienced users communicate – is to explain the framework conditions, what is overpriced and definitely underpriced, the pitfalls in the building contract, what many providers like to keep quiet about, what must be considered… the list is endless and can always be read here.
What you need is an in-depth consultation with a salesperson you trust. Or – if you find that advice too vague – go to the new development areas. Preferably on weekends – you will meet many homebuilders there. They will honestly answer your questions, independent of salespeople and providers. A forum like this can only accompany you and warn you against the biggest pitfalls. But you have to find “your” right provider yourself… there is no universal solution here either.
Best regards
Gluecklich schrieb:No, that’s definitely not what I meant; even Kern-Haus pushes the limits. The majority of potential homebuilders still consider “being cheap is cool” desirable. But – I am not only a moderator, I am also a salesperson. If I wrote down everything I know, users here would on one hand not believe me and on the other hand – and this is probably how most would see it – accuse me of “speaking negatively about the competition.” The majority of potential homebuilders want to shower but not get wet.
Now you have said a lot without really saying anything. With Weberhaus, it was positive. The offer included a fixed price guarantee, foundation slab, etc. I don’t see any hidden costs there. In detail, it might be that fewer sockets or simpler fittings are offered. But the level of fittings can be upgraded if needed. Fundamentally, I read it as if you take the house exactly as is, the price is also exactly that. What’s wrong with that??
With Bauexperte it sounds like the whole provider is worthless.
In the small print of the advertisement, it says that the house – because it was awarded – is available as an offer for €225,000 and some change including the garage. If I then add “everything else” that distinguishes a qualitatively valuable house, I end up back where I would call the realistic sales price; “Der Da” nailed it once again. Nobody gives anything away, not even Kern-Haus. I refrain from commenting on this provider because I have often – instead of him – gone home with a contract; I provide full disclosure and not just in pieces!
I do admit that I try to select the “thinking along” homebuyers from the many inquiries. It is still very advisory-intensive, but I don’t have to engage in pointless discussions like “being cheap is cool.” This is by no means to say that I select my clientele based on their wallets – just two weeks ago I was able to accept a contract from an elderly lady. It mostly depends on attitude; regardless of any status thinking!
Gluecklich schrieb:If you want to build a house, there is no way to compare one house with another. Sure, I could say house “x” costs €200,000 – but then you have to build it exactly like that, not differently; the land conditions must be identical, and… and… and.
I find it very hard to discuss clear prices when no clear offers may be named. Everything, really everything that can be bought, can usually be clearly priced – only when buying a house most things happen very obscurely. And if it’s not even possible to shed light on that here... I think that is a major drawback for this forum. I have to accept it but that doesn’t mean I like it.
I am constantly writing about prices here; more than an approximate value is not possible. What is possible – and what €uro, E.Curb, Baucoach, myself, and many experienced users communicate – is to explain the framework conditions, what is overpriced and definitely underpriced, the pitfalls in the building contract, what many providers like to keep quiet about, what must be considered… the list is endless and can always be read here.
What you need is an in-depth consultation with a salesperson you trust. Or – if you find that advice too vague – go to the new development areas. Preferably on weekends – you will meet many homebuilders there. They will honestly answer your questions, independent of salespeople and providers. A forum like this can only accompany you and warn you against the biggest pitfalls. But you have to find “your” right provider yourself… there is no universal solution here either.
Best regards
G
Gluecklich7 Dec 2012 00:38Thank you for the detailed tips.
Still, I find it difficult and, compared to all other products, strange. I can equip a car brand with a special engine, leather seats, or various rims. Or I take it in the basic version and pay a fixed price X. Building a house is somehow different. When I look at a show home in a model home park and say I want it EXACTLY like that, I still don’t get a concrete price. That’s strange, isn’t it!?
Sure, builders also give me subjective information about their house. But even here: concrete final prices... nowhere to be found. The same applies to all TV reports. Nowhere – with very few exceptions – do you find out what the house really cost in the end.
I actually hoped to find a forum somewhere that offers the following info: House Y bought turnkey with flooring, wallpaper, and basement/foundation slab. That was the initial price advertised, the price we signed for, and the price we actually paid in the end.
We would also consider conventional building... if we had the time. Unfortunately, we don’t. So we are stuck a bit with prefabricated houses. And I actually thought these prices would be fixed prices...
Still, I find it difficult and, compared to all other products, strange. I can equip a car brand with a special engine, leather seats, or various rims. Or I take it in the basic version and pay a fixed price X. Building a house is somehow different. When I look at a show home in a model home park and say I want it EXACTLY like that, I still don’t get a concrete price. That’s strange, isn’t it!?
Sure, builders also give me subjective information about their house. But even here: concrete final prices... nowhere to be found. The same applies to all TV reports. Nowhere – with very few exceptions – do you find out what the house really cost in the end.
I actually hoped to find a forum somewhere that offers the following info: House Y bought turnkey with flooring, wallpaper, and basement/foundation slab. That was the initial price advertised, the price we signed for, and the price we actually paid in the end.
We would also consider conventional building... if we had the time. Unfortunately, we don’t. So we are stuck a bit with prefabricated houses. And I actually thought these prices would be fixed prices...
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