ᐅ Not enough water from the toilet cistern or a poorly functioning toilet?

HelpHelp just means that it would have been wiser to pay the plumber four times as much(!) instead of facing a problem now.

HilfeHilfe schrieb:
Ohhhhhhhhhh, WELL THENNNNNNNNNN
this is what happens when you do everything by yourself^^ Now I’m curious about the counterarguments again

Are you actually trying to help someone here, or is there another agenda? What’s wrong with wanting to do something yourself, learning in the process, and asking a community for support?

cschiko schrieb:
Then I’ll make my first post here. I’m not building new, but renovating my wife’s parents’ house. Some of the work has been done by companies, other parts I’m doing myself. For example, the main bathroom downstairs was done by a craftsman I know, who involved a plumber. I’m handling the small guest bathroom upstairs myself, including the wall-hung frame system (Geberit Sigma) and other installation.

This is now completed, and even though I’m usually an office worker, I can say it’s not rocket science. On my Geberit Sigma frame is a Villeroy & Boch Architectura rimless toilet, and it works perfectly. I would most likely suspect a problem with the toilet itself, which might not direct the water properly.

So you shouldn’t always criticize everything just because it was done by yourself. He did not accuse the plumber of incorrectly installing the concealed cistern or anything like that.

I sent Geberit an email on Saturday and received a call today regarding this issue. The manufacturer explained that many of the especially inexpensive toilets, especially the rimless ones, apparently have recurring problems because their water flow design is not fully developed. They recommended a product from a well-known brand, whether Villeroy & Boch, Keramag, or others.

Today I got a Villeroy & Boch O.Novo rimless toilet (apparently the entry-level model from Villeroy & Boch), installed it, and flushed it. It now works as expected even with the small cistern.

On the phone, Geberit explained how the water pressure is related directly to the height (not the volume) of the cistern. Once that was clear, it also became obvious what was needed:
For the small cistern, a toilet designed for a low water volume (and therefore lower water pressure) is required. The O.Novo is rated for 3/4.5 liters and thus works flawlessly with a cistern of low build height, like the Omega in this case.

I will return the toilet I bought earlier tomorrow—the hardware store has already indicated they are willing to refund it. That makes sense since it doesn’t function properly with a standard commercial cistern.

Alex85 schrieb:
HelpHelp I just mean it would have been smarter to pay the plumber four times as much(!) rather than facing a problem now.

I hope that was meant with a bit of irony... If you keep spending only money, money, money, you won’t learn anything. And if you don’t try, you remain permanently unaware.

We had a price difference of about €17,000 (around $18,000 USD) just for the exact same parts when buying online for the main and guest bathrooms. An employee in retail can experiment all year long and still come out ahead.

Ok, 17,000. You can buy quite a few toilets by mistake and, if necessary, even write them off. That’s intense.

Yes, 17,000 is quite a significant amount. At that point, you might consider calling a plumber.

DReffects schrieb:
if only I knew...

Sorry, off-topic, you’re from Franconia, right? [emoji4]