ᐅ Toilet prices ranging from €27.90 to €500 – objective information on the price differences?
Created on: 17 May 2017 18:58
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Hello!
After receiving a hefty quote for bathroom fixtures of around €22,200 (about €900 for a toilet bowl), I just got back from the ICU recovery room and am now dealing with toilet bowls.
The rimless wall-hung toilet from the company with the +, their own brand, seems to be from Laufen according to my research and has an average rating of 1/5 stars on Amazon. Reason: water splashes out at the front, and quality appears to be mediocre.
I went to the home improvement store (*ahem*) and saw:
- Standard wall-hung toilet €29
- Rimless wall-hung toilet €89
- Brand-name rimless toilet €300
When I asked, the saleswoman said, "Oh, it’s all the same, they all work equally well; you just pay more for the brand name with the branded manufacturers."
The super-premium rimless toilet from TOTO with Tornado Flush I found online for about €380.
In my apartment, there is a roughly 35-year-old toilet, now with many dull spots, but it still wonderfully houses the 'product.' I clean it every few weeks with some cleaner and a brush. So far, no complaints.
So, quite simply: Where on earth is the difference?
Thank you very much for your input!
After receiving a hefty quote for bathroom fixtures of around €22,200 (about €900 for a toilet bowl), I just got back from the ICU recovery room and am now dealing with toilet bowls.
The rimless wall-hung toilet from the company with the +, their own brand, seems to be from Laufen according to my research and has an average rating of 1/5 stars on Amazon. Reason: water splashes out at the front, and quality appears to be mediocre.
I went to the home improvement store (*ahem*) and saw:
- Standard wall-hung toilet €29
- Rimless wall-hung toilet €89
- Brand-name rimless toilet €300
When I asked, the saleswoman said, "Oh, it’s all the same, they all work equally well; you just pay more for the brand name with the branded manufacturers."
The super-premium rimless toilet from TOTO with Tornado Flush I found online for about €380.
In my apartment, there is a roughly 35-year-old toilet, now with many dull spots, but it still wonderfully houses the 'product.' I clean it every few weeks with some cleaner and a brush. So far, no complaints.
So, quite simply: Where on earth is the difference?
Thank you very much for your input!
After consulting with the architect, we have decided to proceed as follows:
The plumber will carry out the complete rough installation, including the bathtub and floor drains.
We will source and install the washbasin and faucets, shower fittings, toilet with flush plate, and bathroom furniture ourselves.
The shower walls will be provided by the glazier, so we don’t need to buy those at an inflated price.
Our next step is to carefully select these components so the plumber can lay the pipes precisely to fit.
In this context:
I recently read somewhere in this forum about rimless toilets that splash water outside when flushing. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find that again?!
The plumber will carry out the complete rough installation, including the bathtub and floor drains.
We will source and install the washbasin and faucets, shower fittings, toilet with flush plate, and bathroom furniture ourselves.
The shower walls will be provided by the glazier, so we don’t need to buy those at an inflated price.
Our next step is to carefully select these components so the plumber can lay the pipes precisely to fit.
In this context:
I recently read somewhere in this forum about rimless toilets that splash water outside when flushing. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find that again?!
matte1987 schrieb:
I recently read something here in the forum about rimless toilets that splash water when flushing. Unfortunately, I can’t find that anymore?! Take a look at the reviews on Amazon—especially the model from Laufen seems particularly prone to splashing. The two Keramag models are better but apparently not completely splash-free. I haven’t found any negative comments regarding this issue for the TOTO model, which is relatively expensive at around 450€ (about $480).
Personally, I’m going to try a no-name rimless toilet from the hardware store for 89€ (about $95), which is also available on eBay. If it splashes, it’s not a big loss financially, and I believe the hardware store will accept returns as a goodwill gesture. If that doesn’t work out, I’ll go for the TOTO.
matte1987 schrieb:
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I recently read something somewhere in the forum about rimless toilets that splash water when flushing. Unfortunately, I can’t find it anymore?! Yes, for example the Keramag Renova Plan, which we have, but it seems it has been revised in the meantime.
However, the few splashes are quite manageable – we’re not really bothered by it.
Best regards in brief
Our rimless toilet from Format doesn’t splash out either. At least, I’ve never gotten any mess on me.
The price differences are really huge in some cases and are obviously just the company’s rip-off surcharges, hoping you have no other option. It’s like with cars and the navigation system for $3000, even though any TomTom for $150 would do a better job. Still, 99% of company cars come with that $3000 navigation system installed... it’s basically a take-it-or-leave-it situation.
The price differences are really huge in some cases and are obviously just the company’s rip-off surcharges, hoping you have no other option. It’s like with cars and the navigation system for $3000, even though any TomTom for $150 would do a better job. Still, 99% of company cars come with that $3000 navigation system installed... it’s basically a take-it-or-leave-it situation.
After spending the last few days mostly focused on the shopping list, we are now basically finished with the selection process.
When I compare the price list from the bathroom supplier for our preferred items and deduct the standard 20% discount from the plumber, there is a difference of €6,700 (about $7,000). After subtracting the labor costs, a surplus of €3,700 (about $3,900) remains. This means the material alone would cost me €3,700 (about $3,900) more if I were to get it through the plumber. I obtained all prices from Reuter. If I start comparing and splitting orders, I’m sure a few hundred more can be saved.
This includes:
Master bathroom:
- Shower system
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Double washbasin (with 2 faucets, mirrored cabinet, and under-sink cabinet)
(The bathtub will be done by the plumber anyway)
Guest WC:
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Washbasin (with faucet)
Children’s bathroom:
- Shower system
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Washbasin (with faucet)
Additionally, there are various small parts such as drain valves, siphons, etc.
Since we have different expectations for the shower system (my wife insists on a height-adjustable hand shower for washing hair), no concealed installation set will be used there anyway.
For cost reasons and due to performance limits, we are probably also going to forego wall-mounted faucets at the washbasins. Otherwise, the plumber would need to install the concealed body, which we would likely have to source from him.
So, it is expected that cold and hot water will simply come out of the wall everywhere. From there, we will take over.
With the toilets, the flush tank including odor extraction will be installed by the plumber. The supply and drainage connections as well as the 2 threaded rods will come out of the wall.
Although nothing has been signed or purchased yet, I’m already glad to proceed this way. I truly believe good work should be well paid, but this is just no longer reasonable.
Of course, this is only possible for us because we are working with an architect and direct contract awarding, but maybe this also shows some of the benefits of this construction method to others.
Now, two questions:
- Do I absolutely need a mounting frame (installation frame) for the washbasin on a non-load-bearing 11.5cm (4.5 inches) lightweight wall?
- How is a washbasin (double or standard) mounted on a mounting frame? Do you also need one or two support brackets? Similar to the toilet?
When I compare the price list from the bathroom supplier for our preferred items and deduct the standard 20% discount from the plumber, there is a difference of €6,700 (about $7,000). After subtracting the labor costs, a surplus of €3,700 (about $3,900) remains. This means the material alone would cost me €3,700 (about $3,900) more if I were to get it through the plumber. I obtained all prices from Reuter. If I start comparing and splitting orders, I’m sure a few hundred more can be saved.
This includes:
Master bathroom:
- Shower system
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Double washbasin (with 2 faucets, mirrored cabinet, and under-sink cabinet)
(The bathtub will be done by the plumber anyway)
Guest WC:
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Washbasin (with faucet)
Children’s bathroom:
- Shower system
- Toilet (with seat and flush plate)
- Washbasin (with faucet)
Additionally, there are various small parts such as drain valves, siphons, etc.
Since we have different expectations for the shower system (my wife insists on a height-adjustable hand shower for washing hair), no concealed installation set will be used there anyway.
For cost reasons and due to performance limits, we are probably also going to forego wall-mounted faucets at the washbasins. Otherwise, the plumber would need to install the concealed body, which we would likely have to source from him.
So, it is expected that cold and hot water will simply come out of the wall everywhere. From there, we will take over.
With the toilets, the flush tank including odor extraction will be installed by the plumber. The supply and drainage connections as well as the 2 threaded rods will come out of the wall.
Although nothing has been signed or purchased yet, I’m already glad to proceed this way. I truly believe good work should be well paid, but this is just no longer reasonable.
Of course, this is only possible for us because we are working with an architect and direct contract awarding, but maybe this also shows some of the benefits of this construction method to others.
Now, two questions:
- Do I absolutely need a mounting frame (installation frame) for the washbasin on a non-load-bearing 11.5cm (4.5 inches) lightweight wall?
- How is a washbasin (double or standard) mounted on a mounting frame? Do you also need one or two support brackets? Similar to the toilet?
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