Hello forum,
We are building a city villa with a general contractor. According to the construction description, a basic standard electrical installation is included. However, this is obviously not sufficient.
I am currently thinking about where additional power outlets and such should be placed. Furthermore, I am considering what other connections would be practical and smart to have.
Do you have any tips for me? Installations that should be planned in advance because they cannot be added later but would make life easier?
For example: I plan to install four outdoor cameras. I would like to be able to monitor them online while away. This means the recorder, which I want to place in the utility room, also needs to be connected to the network. What should I pay attention to?
For your information: I also plan to set up a small server cabinet with a patch panel and switches in the utility room.
I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks and regards
We are building a city villa with a general contractor. According to the construction description, a basic standard electrical installation is included. However, this is obviously not sufficient.
I am currently thinking about where additional power outlets and such should be placed. Furthermore, I am considering what other connections would be practical and smart to have.
Do you have any tips for me? Installations that should be planned in advance because they cannot be added later but would make life easier?
For example: I plan to install four outdoor cameras. I would like to be able to monitor them online while away. This means the recorder, which I want to place in the utility room, also needs to be connected to the network. What should I pay attention to?
For your information: I also plan to set up a small server cabinet with a patch panel and switches in the utility room.
I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks and regards
Boergi schrieb:
If you ever decide to install home automation, it might be worth considering running all the wiring in a star topology to the distribution board and including a bus cable in the switch boxes.That would definitely be interesting for the future, and I would certainly want it, but I have heard that even the preliminary work can be quite expensive. I’m not sure if that fits within the budget. Is it possible to estimate the cost?
I would skip the USB outlets. Considering the cost of the outlets and the price of an adapter, it’s not worth the money for me. Especially since the USB 3.0 standard (with different connectors) has been on the market since 2008, USB 3.1 is just around the corner, and in 4-5 years the next standard will probably be invented.
What comes to mind regarding electrical work:
- If lighting for the mirror and vanity cabinet is desired, there also needs to be a connection under the sink
- A shower toilet would also require an electrical connection
- Dimmers
- Switchable outlets (e.g., for standby devices)
- Motion sensors (e.g., in the hallway)
There was already a thread in this forum with planning tips:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/elektroplanung-was-zu-beachten-vorgehen-erklaerungen-und-tipps.8485/
What comes to mind regarding electrical work:
- If lighting for the mirror and vanity cabinet is desired, there also needs to be a connection under the sink
- A shower toilet would also require an electrical connection
- Dimmers
- Switchable outlets (e.g., for standby devices)
- Motion sensors (e.g., in the hallway)
There was already a thread in this forum with planning tips:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/elektroplanung-was-zu-beachten-vorgehen-erklaerungen-und-tipps.8485/
So, I think I read that katho is installing everything herself (or her husband is). Otherwise, I would wonder how much you have to pay for such a 150% package and what real benefit it offers.
Do the Wii and the PlayStation really each need their own power outlet if you never use them at the same time or only about six times a year?
Do I really need a bunch of switches on every second wall, which I might have to label to tell them apart, and that I only use about three times a year?
What use is a motion sensor if it puts me in the spotlight?
Lighting under the bathroom vanity? Is that necessary?
USB charging outlets? Never heard of those.
Are power outlets supposed to look nice???
I love Christmas lights, but mounting outlets in the window recesses for that? Does everyone keep a decorative chandelier from the 1950s around? No, you don’t just illuminate window surfaces (except maybe the welcoming main entrance). That’s one reason why there’s usually at least one outlet on every wall; in room corners, usually one instead of two, where a bed or sofa will be placed on the left and right sides...
You can partly do without the obligatory work outlet (for the vacuum cleaner), or if you do have it, install it lower down. Usually, hallway outlets can be used for vacuuming.
Outlets are important where a) media devices will be placed, b) kitchen appliances will be located, and where standing or reading lamps are needed in the furniture layout. It doesn’t make sense to install two outlets every meter in the kitchen if you’re only planning a small tech area there. Work outlets in the kitchen don’t have to be numerous, but there must be some.
If a bread maker or microwave is going to serve in the utility room, plan for outlets there too. Also, outlets for a second fridge or chargers for cordless drills and the like. Where will phones be charged now, and where will they be charged in the future?
Media outlets in every bedroom, possibly one in the guest bathroom for shaving or hairdrying. If a mirror cabinet is planned, it often includes one or two outlets.
Room corners where sideboards or shelves are planned, possibly for a floor or table lamp.
Honestly—I’ve been sitting on my own terraces for 15 years now, preferably with mood lighting (candles). Outdoor lighting with a switch is usually planned anyway.
Here come the women’s tips: In the kitchen, have indirect lighting (light halo) or task lighting switched separately from the overhead light. Dimmers in the living room and above the dining table. Panic switch in the bedroom. Work outlet on the kitchen island. For the dressing room or wardrobe, plan an outlet to switch cabinet lighting. Bedside/reading lamps in the bedroom should be switched from the door. Entrance area—plan lighting in the window recess.
It’s known that men are sometimes pure tech junkies, but you have to pay for all of it, not just the devices, but also the wiring...
That’s why I’m handing the floor back to the gentlemen now.
Do the Wii and the PlayStation really each need their own power outlet if you never use them at the same time or only about six times a year?
Do I really need a bunch of switches on every second wall, which I might have to label to tell them apart, and that I only use about three times a year?
What use is a motion sensor if it puts me in the spotlight?
Lighting under the bathroom vanity? Is that necessary?
USB charging outlets? Never heard of those.
Are power outlets supposed to look nice???
I love Christmas lights, but mounting outlets in the window recesses for that? Does everyone keep a decorative chandelier from the 1950s around? No, you don’t just illuminate window surfaces (except maybe the welcoming main entrance). That’s one reason why there’s usually at least one outlet on every wall; in room corners, usually one instead of two, where a bed or sofa will be placed on the left and right sides...
You can partly do without the obligatory work outlet (for the vacuum cleaner), or if you do have it, install it lower down. Usually, hallway outlets can be used for vacuuming.
Outlets are important where a) media devices will be placed, b) kitchen appliances will be located, and where standing or reading lamps are needed in the furniture layout. It doesn’t make sense to install two outlets every meter in the kitchen if you’re only planning a small tech area there. Work outlets in the kitchen don’t have to be numerous, but there must be some.
If a bread maker or microwave is going to serve in the utility room, plan for outlets there too. Also, outlets for a second fridge or chargers for cordless drills and the like. Where will phones be charged now, and where will they be charged in the future?
Media outlets in every bedroom, possibly one in the guest bathroom for shaving or hairdrying. If a mirror cabinet is planned, it often includes one or two outlets.
Room corners where sideboards or shelves are planned, possibly for a floor or table lamp.
Honestly—I’ve been sitting on my own terraces for 15 years now, preferably with mood lighting (candles). Outdoor lighting with a switch is usually planned anyway.
Here come the women’s tips: In the kitchen, have indirect lighting (light halo) or task lighting switched separately from the overhead light. Dimmers in the living room and above the dining table. Panic switch in the bedroom. Work outlet on the kitchen island. For the dressing room or wardrobe, plan an outlet to switch cabinet lighting. Bedside/reading lamps in the bedroom should be switched from the door. Entrance area—plan lighting in the window recess.
It’s known that men are sometimes pure tech junkies, but you have to pay for all of it, not just the devices, but also the wiring...
That’s why I’m handing the floor back to the gentlemen now.
ypg schrieb:
So, I think I read that katho is installing it herself (or her husband is). Otherwise, I would wonder what the cost is for such a 150% package and what real benefit I actually get from it. Yes and yes. I sometimes wonder about that too, but I also have to include a few things for my husband to play with. Otherwise, he loses interest in the house construction.
ypg schrieb:
Do the Wii and Playstation really each need their own power outlet if the devices are never used at the same time or only about six times a year? Who even has something like that and plans it into the house? ypg schrieb:
Do I need a battery of switches on every second wall that I might have to label to tell them apart and only use about three times a year? More than three would be too many. That’s at least how we planned it. And there are only two triple switch panels in the whole house. So that’s not really a problem. ypg schrieb:
What use is a motion sensor if it just puts me in the spotlight? You might have misunderstood something there. The motion sensors are for the silent alarm when the security system is armed. You can also set them up outside as floodlight deterrents—but that’s tricky for the reasons mentioned. Otherwise, they’re not switched on. ypg schrieb:
Lighting inside the vanity cabinet? Is that really necessary? Nope. ypg schrieb:
Are power outlets attractive???? It depends on the manufacturer. No, but if they’re not all installed at eye level and in large numbers, they usually don’t bother me, I’d say.Hello kaho... that wasn’t all directed at you.
If I had an electrician like that, I would also have much more comfort.
But for example, I’m currently seeing lots of double light switch panels side by side... that’s 8!! switches – who needs that???
And I’ve also read about 8 to 10 power outlets behind the TV wall!
As I’ve already said: everything has to be paid for or financed with a loan. You shouldn’t just think “the more, the better,” but rather carefully consider and review the plan multiple times.
If I had an electrician like that, I would also have much more comfort.
But for example, I’m currently seeing lots of double light switch panels side by side... that’s 8!! switches – who needs that???
And I’ve also read about 8 to 10 power outlets behind the TV wall!
As I’ve already said: everything has to be paid for or financed with a loan. You shouldn’t just think “the more, the better,” but rather carefully consider and review the plan multiple times.
Hello Aytex,
First of all:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/elektroplanung-was-zu-beachten-vorgehen-erklaerungen-und-tipps.8485/
A refrigerator without an RCD is not permitted, as according to VDE regulations every socket outlet accessible to a non-professional user must be protected by an RCD, except for permanently connected appliances.
Home automation:
I chose Loxone. The cost for me was about 2500.
In return, I get intelligent heating control, lighting control, smart media center management, and an alarm system.
On the other hand, I no longer have to spend money on the heating system control from the heating engineer and save on 8 additional dimmers, etc.
So it’s not really much more expensive than a conventional system.
Regards
First of all:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/elektroplanung-was-zu-beachten-vorgehen-erklaerungen-und-tipps.8485/
A refrigerator without an RCD is not permitted, as according to VDE regulations every socket outlet accessible to a non-professional user must be protected by an RCD, except for permanently connected appliances.
Home automation:
I chose Loxone. The cost for me was about 2500.
In return, I get intelligent heating control, lighting control, smart media center management, and an alarm system.
On the other hand, I no longer have to spend money on the heating system control from the heating engineer and save on 8 additional dimmers, etc.
So it’s not really much more expensive than a conventional system.
Regards
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