Hello everyone,
we are currently looking for a prefabricated house manufacturer that suits our needs.
The house will most likely be built using timber frame construction.
I have some concerns about the differences in the walls.
One manufacturer builds 16cm (6.3 inches) thick wooden walls, while another uses 24cm (9.4 inches) thick ones (insulation and drywall not included).
The thinner wall is said to have a better U-value, which I could possibly explain technically due to different insulation.
What really worries me is the structural stability. Is a wall with a 16cm (6.3 inches) timber frame significantly less stable?
Does anyone have experience or information about the differences between these types of walls?
Best regards
we are currently looking for a prefabricated house manufacturer that suits our needs.
The house will most likely be built using timber frame construction.
I have some concerns about the differences in the walls.
One manufacturer builds 16cm (6.3 inches) thick wooden walls, while another uses 24cm (9.4 inches) thick ones (insulation and drywall not included).
The thinner wall is said to have a better U-value, which I could possibly explain technically due to different insulation.
What really worries me is the structural stability. Is a wall with a 16cm (6.3 inches) timber frame significantly less stable?
Does anyone have experience or information about the differences between these types of walls?
Best regards
Oh, one more thing:
I believe that how people build today is a philosophical question and reflects the attitude of the homeowners. In the beginning, we explored all options but eventually settled on a timber frame house. Maybe that’s partly because I grew up in one.
When it comes to insulation and energy consumption, the houses don’t differ much.
We just found the indoor climate in timber houses to be more comfortable.
I believe that how people build today is a philosophical question and reflects the attitude of the homeowners. In the beginning, we explored all options but eventually settled on a timber frame house. Maybe that’s partly because I grew up in one.
When it comes to insulation and energy consumption, the houses don’t differ much.
We just found the indoor climate in timber houses to be more comfortable.
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Meister_Lampe3 Feb 2018 14:4211ant schrieb:
I wasn’t talking about trust in this construction method, but about familiarity with it. Someone who firmly prefers a certain building technique usually has reasons for it, which don’t align with a lack of knowledge.
Haha, to add (coming from a family of butchers), there is no more "wood" in a prefabricated wall than there is meat in a sausage.
With a 16cm (6 inches) core of structural timber and a bit of cladding, the wall today is far from finished. Some manufacturers have simply adapted their systems to the "thicker dimensions" of older constructions, while others have completely rethought the wall structure. This leads to different approaches: one doubles the amount of insulation like an external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) on a solid wall, another fills it between the studs and adjusts their thickness accordingly (in cross-section, the studs are then no longer square and therefore not necessarily containing “more” wood).
Am I correct (to quote Hans Sachs again) in assuming that you came across prefabricated houses through one of the two classic myths: "they go faster" or "there are fewer final price surprises"?Of course, we have our reasons for this. And they are not the ones mentioned. There will be surprises in any construction, and with the lead times we have until a wall leaves the factory, a lot of time is lost.
The wood used must carry the load of the house. The insulation, etc., will not bear any load.
That’s why I wondered if, with the thinner “beams” here, structural engineering savings are being made in advance. If I understand Blackm88’s answer correctly, everything is recalculated and, if necessary, the beam is made thicker.
Meister_Lampe schrieb:
whether the thinner "beams" here already compromise the structural integrity.No, even with a beam thickness of 16 cm (6 inches), you get a rigid and load-bearing wall. Just like with bread—between wheat and rye—so you can choose between, for example, a classic and an organic wall construction from a prefabricated house manufacturer. Each option is a consistent wall design in terms of concept and dimensions. For individual projects, the calculations are usually done by the local carpenter or timber specialist.The lower-cost prefabricated house providers don’t build you a flimsy structure; rather, they cut costs on things like tile quality, the number of electrical outlets, and similar features. A wall with 16 cm (6 inches) thick beams has not been a cheap imitation, but a proven standard for over thirty years.
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Knallkörper4 Feb 2018 10:50Perhaps more studs per linear meter of wall are used with the 16cm (6.3 inches) wall, or different wood grades/qualities are employed. However, I lived for years in a timber frame house and never want to experience that again.
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stefanc844 Feb 2018 11:41Knallkörper schrieb:
However, I lived in a timber frame house for many years and never want to do that again. What exactly do you never want to experience again?
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Knallkörper4 Feb 2018 14:55I didn’t like the climate. Especially in summer, it would heat up quickly when exposed to strong sunlight. Sometimes it would creak during rapid temperature changes. It was also noisy. In these aspects, our new build is three levels better (Poroton, brick veneer, cavity insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance).
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