The new roof needs to be removed again. The Braas Divodämm Kompakt Plus has been settling for more than 7 months. This happens even with the perfectly sealed membrane foil – it’s an above-rafter insulation system. It is still unclear who will cover the damage costs. In any case, according to Braas, the attic cannot be converted. The tenant, who smokes, complains of headaches when spending extended time there.
What are your thoughts on the roof tiles? The new roofer says it’s not worth carefully removing the 1.10 euro engobed tiles intact from the roof, as it’s cheaper to install new ones with a crane. Also, the surface of the tiles may have been too much damaged. What do you think?
What are your thoughts on the roof tiles? The new roofer says it’s not worth carefully removing the 1.10 euro engobed tiles intact from the roof, as it’s cheaper to install new ones with a crane. Also, the surface of the tiles may have been too much damaged. What do you think?
What does the Divodämm Kompakt Plus do, does it shrink? Or do you mean it smells? Does it emit chemical fumes? Hopefully, the company Braas will cover that, or rather the contractor you signed the insulation agreement with, who can then contact the company.
How many roof tiles are there? For us, that would probably be around 2,000 euros worth of roof tiles. It’s unclear whether you can just discard them. It’s better to hire someone to remove them, right? Although people with more craftsmanship experience can probably assess this better.
How many roof tiles are there? For us, that would probably be around 2,000 euros worth of roof tiles. It’s unclear whether you can just discard them. It’s better to hire someone to remove them, right? Although people with more craftsmanship experience can probably assess this better.
Hello BeHAELJa,
the Divodämm Kompakt Plus consists of 16 cm (6.3 inches) of PU rigid foam insulation plus a 3 cm (1.2 inches) softwood board, directly bonded together. The odor even passes through the Divodämm Membrane 2 foil, which is properly installed and sealed. As the Braas representative confirmed, the smell should disappear after 4-6 weeks. In our case, it is extremely strong; the tenant is reducing the rent further, saying the odor gives him headaches. We have two samples—one originally received from Braas and another recently from the representative—which do not smell. Everything has now been sent to a lab for testing. The roof tiles for a 170 m² (1,830 sq ft) roof using Rubin 11 require about 1,900 tiles plus verge and ridge tiles. None of the roofing contractors we contacted are willing to carefully remove them because the waste rate would be too high. Then everything must be removed: all battens and rafters, three large Velux light strips (Velux roof windows) must be taken out again, and the membrane must also be replaced. 35 m³ (1,236 cubic feet) of PU foam must be disposed of, along with the softwood insulation. The damage is currently estimated at around 50,000 to 60,000 euros. The dismantling and disposal costs will now make everything much more expensive…
Braas is acknowledging the defect but prefers to refer to the roofer, who declared insolvency just after seven years of self-employment. This roofer had previously installed the roofing on our new build and did excellent work at that time. But what use is that if the material then smells? Braas and the roofer are now skillfully passing the responsibility back and forth; they know each other and address each other informally… We are lucky with our bank, which is still cooperating to get the damage repaired quickly…
the Divodämm Kompakt Plus consists of 16 cm (6.3 inches) of PU rigid foam insulation plus a 3 cm (1.2 inches) softwood board, directly bonded together. The odor even passes through the Divodämm Membrane 2 foil, which is properly installed and sealed. As the Braas representative confirmed, the smell should disappear after 4-6 weeks. In our case, it is extremely strong; the tenant is reducing the rent further, saying the odor gives him headaches. We have two samples—one originally received from Braas and another recently from the representative—which do not smell. Everything has now been sent to a lab for testing. The roof tiles for a 170 m² (1,830 sq ft) roof using Rubin 11 require about 1,900 tiles plus verge and ridge tiles. None of the roofing contractors we contacted are willing to carefully remove them because the waste rate would be too high. Then everything must be removed: all battens and rafters, three large Velux light strips (Velux roof windows) must be taken out again, and the membrane must also be replaced. 35 m³ (1,236 cubic feet) of PU foam must be disposed of, along with the softwood insulation. The damage is currently estimated at around 50,000 to 60,000 euros. The dismantling and disposal costs will now make everything much more expensive…
Braas is acknowledging the defect but prefers to refer to the roofer, who declared insolvency just after seven years of self-employment. This roofer had previously installed the roofing on our new build and did excellent work at that time. But what use is that if the material then smells? Braas and the roofer are now skillfully passing the responsibility back and forth; they know each other and address each other informally… We are lucky with our bank, which is still cooperating to get the damage repaired quickly…
Thank you, HeHaElJa, for your support. Our experience with the Braas product Divodämm Kompakt Plus is that we protect our customer—in this case, the roofer who is personally liable—and we also protect Braas as the supplier. The end customer, however, seems to be left out. The damage is undisputed; they are just trying to use every possible way to avoid paying for it.
So, once again the question: Is it cheaper to dispose of the roof tiles than to go through the effort of storing all of them, including the rejects? What do you think?
So, once again the question: Is it cheaper to dispose of the roof tiles than to go through the effort of storing all of them, including the rejects? What do you think?
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Bauexperte15 Apr 2015 19:51Krolock schrieb:
Our experience with the Braas product Divodämm Kompakt Plus is this: we protect our customers—in this case, the roofer who is personally liable—and also protect Braas’s supplier. The end customer seems to be left out. The damage is undisputed; it is just that every smallest opportunity is being used to avoid covering the costs... This is not experience but rather, at least so far, an unsubstantiated accusation.
Krolock schrieb:
So again the question: Is it cheaper to dispose of roof tiles than to store all of them with considerable effort plus rejects? What do you think? I would not concern myself with this at all, aside from the fact that it cannot be answered from a distance. As a reference, you can keep in mind that manual removal is always more expensive; often significantly more expensive.
Why don’t you consult a lawyer with good knowledge of the VOB (German Construction Contract Procedures)/warranty law? They can best advise you on how to proceed.
Regards, Bauexperte
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