ᐅ Thermal balancing – Initial measurements taken for adjustment

Created on: 3 Dec 2020 15:04
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Tx-25
Hello, I have started documenting the temperatures inside our house. I have attached a link with a table. What do you think about the data? The temperatures have remained fairly consistent under similar weather conditions. Overall, I am quite satisfied with the data. I have not made any changes since the hydraulic balancing.

The bedroom upstairs should be cooler. Can I simply reduce the flow rate there? Is there anything else I should consider given that we have very short loops (starting from 16 meters (52 feet) :/)?

In the last four days, we have ventilated very little because we have a central ventilation system. As a result, there hasn’t been much change in the values. Should I continue documenting and ventilate more aggressively and variably in the coming days to test how the rooms warm up? The heating curve is currently set to 2 out of 10. Does it need adjustment? Link description
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lesmue79
4 Dec 2020 06:39
How can I best determine whether I have achieved the absolute minimum flow in a very short circuit (which, according to calculations, should already be limited to 0.3 l/min (0.08 gallons per minute))? The Topmeter’s scale, with a 0.5 l/min (0.13 gallons per minute) display range, doesn’t really help here.

I suppose the clearest sign is when I notice a temperature difference across the circuit? But what if the flow is so low that there’s no measurable temperature difference at all?
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Tx-25
4 Dec 2020 07:26
Mycraft schrieb:

What is the intention? You’re not really saving anything with this. The remarks about the measurements probably being inaccurate were just a side note. Usually, it’s always a curve that swings back and forth a bit.

For me, it’s not about saving. We don’t find 20 degrees Celsius (68°F) comfortable for sleeping in the bedroom. It is usually recommended to have a temperature around 16-18 degrees Celsius (61-64°F), if I’m not mistaken. I would be satisfied with 18 degrees Celsius (64°F). We prefer to use thicker blankets if we get cold but want to maintain a pleasantly cool atmosphere.

Of course, my goal in this thread is to optimize the entire heating system for best efficiency.
If I set the heating curve to 1, then all the room temperatures should go down or decrease when the outside temperature drops more sharply, right? That wouldn’t be helpful.

So, is increasing the flow rate in the bathrooms and reducing it in the bedroom really the only option left?
The guest bathroom on the ground floor is actually too cold for us as well. Although we always measure 20 degrees Celsius (68°F) in the upstairs bathroom, it feels noticeably warmer than in any other room. The humidity level, however, is not particularly higher. That has always seemed strange to us.
Mycraft4 Dec 2020 08:43
Yes, your line of thinking is absolutely correct. In your case, I would completely shut off the bedroom and only open the valve once or twice a year, letting it run for a day or so to ensure water exchange and proper valve protection.

@lesmue79
Is the 0.3 still too much?
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lesmue79
4 Dec 2020 09:32
The bathroom has a calculated heating load of 94 watts, so the 0.3 liters at -12°C (10.4°F) is likely enough to heat the room with just a small amount of heat from lighting.
Mycraft4 Dec 2020 10:01
Then do as described above. Shut it off completely and only let the water run 1-2 times a year. You can observe whether the room and the surrounding areas still warm up. If not, you will need to investigate further and possibly reduce the flow even more, which can also be adjusted with the top meters.
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Tx-25
4 Dec 2020 12:29
I just looked inside my distribution box. To my surprise, the adjustment options are quite limited. I’ve attached a picture and listed the values from the image from left to right.

Bathroom 1.9
Child’s Room 1 1.25
Hallway 0.5
Bedroom 0.75
Dressing Room 1
Child’s Room 2 1.4

The bedroom and the dressing room are essentially one space with an open connection. I will reduce the dressing room flow to 0.75 to test it out.

The flow rate to the bathroom is very high. It also feels noticeably warmer there, though I can’t measure that. Strange, since the flow rate is twice as high.

Where do I adjust the flow? At the top near the red caps? I saw in a video that water came out there on one system, but it was a different setup.

Six flow meters with red caps and liquid columns on a metal strip, numerically labeled.