ᐅ Patio and Garden Access, Patio Doors

Created on: 25 Apr 2022 13:13
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WilderSueden
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WilderSueden
25 Apr 2022 13:13
Hello everyone,
Until now, we had always planned for a south-facing terrace. Last week during vacation, I had some time to think it over and I’m not as enthusiastic about that idea anymore, so I want to redesign the terrace. Getting sun at noon is one thing, but the problem is that I usually have time in the evening. Then there’s also the issue of distance to the neighbors. Since we are in a new development area and the neighbors to the south haven’t built yet, I don’t know exactly where their house will be. However, the west side is open and will remain so for the foreseeable future (the neighbor owns three lots). I attached a section of the site plan (oriented north) and a drone photo. The property line to plot 386 is marked with a red line. The original terrace plan was next to the construction container beside the crane, but now I’m leaning towards relocating it to where the blue cross is. I think most will agree that this is the more sensible location.

Bird’s-eye view: shell of a residential building with crane on construction site


Site plan: red house with terrace, green areas, trees, and street surroundings


Now to the problem. So far, it was planned that the west side of the dining room would have fixed glazing, and placing the dining table was relatively simple somewhere near the window. If I add a terrace door there now, that clearly won’t work anymore. However, I don’t want to completely remove the south door just to fit the dining table. So the question is how to combine this in a practical way—would it make sense to make the south door a single door and move it all the way to the right? Are there other good ideas?

2D floor plan ground floor with open living and dining area and kitchen


One more word about the terrain situation. There isn’t much left of the original terrain, but the ground floor sits about 1.5m (5 feet) higher than the boundary point at the neighbor’s garden shed. I don’t want to cut into or fill this completely, but rather build a roughly hip-high retaining wall around the terrace that gradually transitions into the natural ground. Here’s a section of the site plan with the elevation profile. My idea was to extend the wall along the south side to the drainage strip and then build a small set of steps in front of the south doors so you can go straight into the garden without having to go across the terrace first.

Site plan of a building lot with red house outline and green surroundings


Unfortunately, time is a bit tight because I have an appointment with the window installer tomorrow and need to give him a clear plan.
Tolentino25 Apr 2022 13:22
Yes, either single-leaf or double-leaf, but with the fixed leaf (which usually stays closed) facing the table. You can then push the table completely into the corner and only pull it out when you have guests. This way, you’ll have more space in daily use.
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netuser
25 Apr 2022 14:06
WilderSueden schrieb:

I wouldn’t want to completely remove the south door just to fit the dining table. Now the question is how to combine it sensibly. Does it make sense to have the south door as a single leaf and move it all the way to the right? Are there any other good ideas?

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In my opinion, relocating the terrace to the west is a much better idea, yes.

As shown in the plan, the south terrace door behind the dining table is impractical anyway and should have been placed more centrally or all the way to the right. If the table is now shifted from the west side toward the center of the room (east), I still see the door on the south side as only sensible in the middle or to the right.
Tolentino schrieb:

You could push the table fully into the corner and only pull it out from there when guests come.


That really depends on the table. With ours, that suggestion would hardly work in practice. 🙂
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Fuchsbau35
25 Apr 2022 14:26
Why not have sliding doors leading to the terrace? This way, a dining table can be placed quite close to the window.
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netuser
25 Apr 2022 14:33
Fuchsbau35 schrieb:

Why not use sliding doors to the terrace? That way, a dining table can be placed quite close to the window.

“Quite close” would still mean about 80 - 100 cm (31 - 39 inches) in practice, right? For that, the table would have to be moved further into the center of the room, which would then obscure the south-facing terrace door.
Tolentino25 Apr 2022 14:34
netuser schrieb:

At least the table would have to handle that. In our case, the proposal would hardly be feasible in practice 🙂
3x2m (10x7 feet) solid wood with massive steel runners, or what?