Hello everyone,
we are currently facing a small issue and hoped to get some suggestions and ideas from you.
Our situation is as follows:
- Our house is already built, and we are now focusing on the outdoor area.
- We have a trapezoidal-shaped plot of land.
- We planned to build a patio roof 7m (23 feet) wide, but then realized that the setback requirements also apply to the patio roof.
- According to the Bavarian Building Code (BayBO), the patio roof must be at least 3m (10 feet) away from every neighbor’s boundary (I tried to illustrate this in the screenshot).
Our question now is: what would you do in this situation to achieve reasonable shading and possibly weather protection for the terrace?
Unfortunately, the neighbor has already refused to waive the setback requirements.
We welcome all ideas, including out-of-the-box solutions!
Best regards,
Christian
we are currently facing a small issue and hoped to get some suggestions and ideas from you.
Our situation is as follows:
- Our house is already built, and we are now focusing on the outdoor area.
- We have a trapezoidal-shaped plot of land.
- We planned to build a patio roof 7m (23 feet) wide, but then realized that the setback requirements also apply to the patio roof.
- According to the Bavarian Building Code (BayBO), the patio roof must be at least 3m (10 feet) away from every neighbor’s boundary (I tried to illustrate this in the screenshot).
Our question now is: what would you do in this situation to achieve reasonable shading and possibly weather protection for the terrace?
Unfortunately, the neighbor has already refused to waive the setback requirements.
We welcome all ideas, including out-of-the-box solutions!
Best regards,
Christian
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nordanney2 Apr 2025 08:54Musketier schrieb:
I know. The question is whether the 3m (10 feet) distance to the property boundary must still be maintained if no building permit/planning permission is required because these are secondary structures. In Bavaria, it is mandatory. You need the neighbor’s approval. If you don’t have it: do not build, or if already built: dismantle.
Musketier schrieb:
I don’t think anyone would consider asking the neighbors. This “no one” is the original poster. And we’re talking about Bavaria. And unfriendly neighbors.
I just checked again specifically for Saxony. Up to 30m² (320 sq ft) and less than 3m (10 ft) deep, it is exempt from the permit process, but only if the neighbors have given their consent (and thus the setback requirements are met). So please disregard my previous statements on this.
I don’t think I would cover the entire side of the house with such a structure. To be honest, I’m still missing a convincing idea because, besides sun protection, it also seems important to me to be able to leave the house with dry feet in order to reach the terrace. The seating area could also be planned right in front of the house wall so that you have an unobstructed (furniture-free) view from the dining room to the outside.
In our old house, we had a glass roof, which we really liked, also because you could sit under it when it rained; we already had shading with an awning before that.
An awning alone or a shade sail also makes sense, but in your situation, in my opinion, the necessary dry path to the outside is missing; otherwise, for example, you could have just roofed the area along the wall. We have the opposite setup on the side and like the fact that it provides shade during the summer. You seem to have more than enough light, from what I can see.
You would need to see the entire elevation to comment properly, but I could also imagine building a somewhat narrower (perhaps 5m (16 feet) wide) glass roof in the middle, since it’s also nice if the entire terrace is not covered. You could then think about some planting/design elements for the terrace area to create an attractive overall look.
If possible, I would rather go for 4m (13 feet) depth; that would be more important to me than using the full width. We originally wanted that too, but then reduced the wooden terrace area to just over 1m (3 feet) depth and built only the seating area with a deep and comfortable dimension.
Accordingly, you could consider roofing a short section in the dining room area and extending to 4m (13 feet) in front of the living room wall; in front of the dining room, you could create something nice with plants to look at. You might also not want to hold your coffee chat too close to the neighbor’s boundary.
In front of the dining room, if wanted or needed, you can still deploy a sun umbrella or similar as needed, but at least you would have dry feet when leaving the house there. That’s my rough idea for now.
In our old house, we had a glass roof, which we really liked, also because you could sit under it when it rained; we already had shading with an awning before that.
An awning alone or a shade sail also makes sense, but in your situation, in my opinion, the necessary dry path to the outside is missing; otherwise, for example, you could have just roofed the area along the wall. We have the opposite setup on the side and like the fact that it provides shade during the summer. You seem to have more than enough light, from what I can see.
You would need to see the entire elevation to comment properly, but I could also imagine building a somewhat narrower (perhaps 5m (16 feet) wide) glass roof in the middle, since it’s also nice if the entire terrace is not covered. You could then think about some planting/design elements for the terrace area to create an attractive overall look.
If possible, I would rather go for 4m (13 feet) depth; that would be more important to me than using the full width. We originally wanted that too, but then reduced the wooden terrace area to just over 1m (3 feet) depth and built only the seating area with a deep and comfortable dimension.
Accordingly, you could consider roofing a short section in the dining room area and extending to 4m (13 feet) in front of the living room wall; in front of the dining room, you could create something nice with plants to look at. You might also not want to hold your coffee chat too close to the neighbor’s boundary.
In front of the dining room, if wanted or needed, you can still deploy a sun umbrella or similar as needed, but at least you would have dry feet when leaving the house there. That’s my rough idea for now.
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hanghaus20232 Apr 2025 12:26The sloped side is not an issue. Glass can also be cut at an angle.
In Bavaria, patio roofs can be built or modified without a building permit / planning permission procedure if their area does not exceed 30 m² (323 ft²) and their depth is no more than 3 m (10 ft). The construction of larger roofs generally requires a building permit / planning permission.
In Bavaria, patio roofs can be built or modified without a building permit / planning permission procedure if their area does not exceed 30 m² (323 ft²) and their depth is no more than 3 m (10 ft). The construction of larger roofs generally requires a building permit / planning permission.
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Nice-Nofret2 Apr 2025 12:47Dry feet when leaving the house. We don’t have that; instead, I have rain-appropriate shoes and clothing, as well as umbrellas for heavy downpours – which can happen at any time of the year in Ticino. Usually, though, it’s just light rain – any coat can handle walking from the parking area to the store. Honestly, I don’t understand where the panic over a little water from the sky comes from.
Quite simple: we are always in socks or barefoot inside the house. For quick trips to the compost bin, garbage cans, herb garden, or yard, each of us has a pair of "slippers" placed outside the patio door. I prefer not to have the clutter of shoes scattered around the living room, so they stay by the door.
Even if you have weatherproof shoes (clogs or similar), they still get wet in the rain if there is no shelter.
We spent the first 2-3 years without a shelter, but now I wouldn’t want to be without one.
Even if you have weatherproof shoes (clogs or similar), they still get wet in the rain if there is no shelter.
We spent the first 2-3 years without a shelter, but now I wouldn’t want to be without one.
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