ᐅ Telecommunications in New Construction of a Semi-Detached House – What/When/How
Created on: 10 Jun 2020 09:21
V
vorkalmatador
Hello dear homebuilding community,
I know there are already thousands of topics on this, but since I still have a few general questions, I’ll just go ahead and start topic number 1001.
The situation: New construction of a semi-detached house, construction start planned for the end of the year, completion planned for September 2021. The semi-detached house is located in the second row. Our relationship with the other family is very good after several meetings, so we are planning to “work together” on this.
From what I understand from the general and extended construction description, the construction company does not take care of telecommunications; the electricity connection is mentioned in the additional building costs.
Our profile: We are two young adults with two small children, tech-savvy, currently using a lot of Wi-Fi. A LAN cable is connected to the TV, which we watch via IPTV. At the moment, we are with Vodafone (cable). Since it is a shared medium, there are often speed drops in the evening.
What we want:
Now, there are two options: cable via Vodafone or DSL via Telekom, right?
According to the availability check, cable offers up to 1 Gbit/s (gigabit per second), DSL with Telekom up to 250 Mbit/s (megabit per second).
Cable would allow TV, internet, and landline, DSL for internet, landline, and IPTV via Magenta.
Both connections would have to be newly installed. Can you already contact the providers even though the building permit / planning permission has not yet been granted? How does the timing usually work? It would make a lot of sense to have this installed at the same time as the electrical conduit work, right? The ground would already be open then. Can this be “shared” with the other party of the semi-detached house?
At the moment, I’m leaning strongly towards the DSL option. We don’t use TV via cable, and the speed fluctuations with cable internet make me a bit uneasy.
What can I prepare now to ensure good internet reception later in the finished attic / first floor and on the terrace?
How is the DSL connection usually set up? Does a Telekom “socket” go into the utility room, and must the router be placed there?
I’m planning to have LAN sockets installed in the children’s rooms, the bedroom, the living room, and the attic. Does that actually make sense?
I know these are a lot of (beginner) questions, but I hope you can shed some light on this.
Thanks so much in advance.
Best regards
I know there are already thousands of topics on this, but since I still have a few general questions, I’ll just go ahead and start topic number 1001.
The situation: New construction of a semi-detached house, construction start planned for the end of the year, completion planned for September 2021. The semi-detached house is located in the second row. Our relationship with the other family is very good after several meetings, so we are planning to “work together” on this.
From what I understand from the general and extended construction description, the construction company does not take care of telecommunications; the electricity connection is mentioned in the additional building costs.
Our profile: We are two young adults with two small children, tech-savvy, currently using a lot of Wi-Fi. A LAN cable is connected to the TV, which we watch via IPTV. At the moment, we are with Vodafone (cable). Since it is a shared medium, there are often speed drops in the evening.
What we want:
- No satellite TV. I don’t want a dish on the roof; I’ve never used satellite TV in my life, so we don’t need it.
- We basically don’t need a landline; we’ve used it maybe three times in the last five years.
- Fast, stable internet with coverage throughout the entire house and, ideally, in the garden as well.
Now, there are two options: cable via Vodafone or DSL via Telekom, right?
According to the availability check, cable offers up to 1 Gbit/s (gigabit per second), DSL with Telekom up to 250 Mbit/s (megabit per second).
Cable would allow TV, internet, and landline, DSL for internet, landline, and IPTV via Magenta.
Both connections would have to be newly installed. Can you already contact the providers even though the building permit / planning permission has not yet been granted? How does the timing usually work? It would make a lot of sense to have this installed at the same time as the electrical conduit work, right? The ground would already be open then. Can this be “shared” with the other party of the semi-detached house?
At the moment, I’m leaning strongly towards the DSL option. We don’t use TV via cable, and the speed fluctuations with cable internet make me a bit uneasy.
What can I prepare now to ensure good internet reception later in the finished attic / first floor and on the terrace?
How is the DSL connection usually set up? Does a Telekom “socket” go into the utility room, and must the router be placed there?
I’m planning to have LAN sockets installed in the children’s rooms, the bedroom, the living room, and the attic. Does that actually make sense?
I know these are a lot of (beginner) questions, but I hope you can shed some light on this.
Thanks so much in advance.
Best regards
T
T_im_Norden10 Jun 2020 12:32My fiber optic connection also has a lead time of 5-6 months, so I hope it will be ready by the move-in date.
vorkalmatador schrieb:
What can I prepare here to ensure reliable internet reception later in the finished attic/1st floor and on the terrace?
How is the DSL connection generally set up? Does a telecom outlet go into the utility room, and does the router have to be placed there?
I am planning to install LAN outlets in the children’s rooms, the bedroom, the living room, and the attic. Will that actually be useful?
First, you should allocate space for a network wall cabinet. Usually, this is installed in the utility room, where the telecom outlet (possibly fiber optic in the future) will also be located. For the network cabinet, I would generally recommend a 19" rack; for smaller installations, a 10" rack can also work. The height of the cabinet depends on what equipment you plan to install. Inside, you should have a patch panel from which all the cables in the house run. Additionally, you will need a switch, router, power strip, and possibly a NAS.
Install double network outlets at all locations where stationary devices with LAN access are or might be connected. For the TV, possibly even two double outlets. Don’t forget rooms like hobby rooms or the garage (for example, for an electric vehicle charging station), or at least install empty conduits if you are not sure yet. Also, plan network outlets for Wi-Fi access points, ideally mounted on the ceiling or high on the wall. You don’t need a power outlet nearby, as many access points can be powered via POE (Power over Ethernet). The number and position depend greatly on the floor plan, but at least one per floor should be planned. For Wi-Fi coverage on the terrace, the indoor access point in the living area might be sufficient. You can also consider an outdoor access point, for which a floor plan would be very helpful. If you want to install cameras anywhere, make sure to run network cables there as well.
V
vorkalmatador10 Jun 2020 13:55Thank you very much in advance for all the responses.
I think I still have a few general questions to clarify my understanding. I’ll describe it the way I understand it. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
The telecommunications connection, along with other services, ends in the utility room, in the form of the TAE outlet.
From the TAE outlet, a cable runs to the router.
The router is also located in the utility room. Does the router typically fit into a 10-inch network cabinet, or is it usually installed outside of it?
Now I connect the router with an Ethernet cable to the switch/patch panel (I need to read up on this again, as I worked with switches a long time ago during LAN parties, but I have never worked with patch panels).
If I understand correctly, a 10-inch cabinet can hold a patch panel and a switch with 12 LAN ports, meaning I can run a maximum of 12 LAN cables out. These cables are then routed during the shell construction phase to the locations I planned. Are the cables then coming out of the wall at these points? Or do they come from behind into a network outlet, where I then plug in a LAN connector from the front to connect to the TV? I am still a bit unclear about this.
When you mention that additional network outlets should be provided for access points, how are these cables connected? Simply having a wall outlet without any cable behind it is useless to me, of course. Do LAN cables come through the wall from the server cabinet as described above?
For the network outlets I want to install in the hallways on the ground floor and first floor at the ceiling, can I then plug in PoE access points that convert the LAN internet from the cable into Wi-Fi without needing separate power?
So, I hope you understand me and that I’m not completely off track.
I think I still have a few general questions to clarify my understanding. I’ll describe it the way I understand it. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
The telecommunications connection, along with other services, ends in the utility room, in the form of the TAE outlet.
From the TAE outlet, a cable runs to the router.
The router is also located in the utility room. Does the router typically fit into a 10-inch network cabinet, or is it usually installed outside of it?
Now I connect the router with an Ethernet cable to the switch/patch panel (I need to read up on this again, as I worked with switches a long time ago during LAN parties, but I have never worked with patch panels).
If I understand correctly, a 10-inch cabinet can hold a patch panel and a switch with 12 LAN ports, meaning I can run a maximum of 12 LAN cables out. These cables are then routed during the shell construction phase to the locations I planned. Are the cables then coming out of the wall at these points? Or do they come from behind into a network outlet, where I then plug in a LAN connector from the front to connect to the TV? I am still a bit unclear about this.
When you mention that additional network outlets should be provided for access points, how are these cables connected? Simply having a wall outlet without any cable behind it is useless to me, of course. Do LAN cables come through the wall from the server cabinet as described above?
For the network outlets I want to install in the hallways on the ground floor and first floor at the ceiling, can I then plug in PoE access points that convert the LAN internet from the cable into Wi-Fi without needing separate power?
So, I hope you understand me and that I’m not completely off track.
As far as I know, the termination of your connection via TAE is still current (but this relates to copper wiring; I haven’t looked into fiber optics yet). Before that, there is the main connection point (ApL) (see the same note), which for a duplex home is usually located in one of the halves and serves both units. Where do your availability statements come from? If you mean the second row, I suspect you entered the existing addresses of the first row (?)
In patch panels, everything is plugged in from the front and permanently connected at the back. The switches themselves do not perform any switching here; this is usually handled within the IAD (commonly called the “router”). The customer service department of the provider is your best contact—they are also used to customers without technical knowledge.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
In patch panels, everything is plugged in from the front and permanently connected at the back. The switches themselves do not perform any switching here; this is usually handled within the IAD (commonly called the “router”). The customer service department of the provider is your best contact—they are also used to customers without technical knowledge.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
No, the distribution point (APL) is installed separately in each half of the building. It would be different in a duplex, but that’s not the case here. Behind it, as has been standard for decades, there is the telephone socket (TAE socket), where the DSL modem (either separate or integrated into the router) can be connected.
With fiber optic, up to the distribution point it's the same, only that the device is called an ONT. The telephone socket is then, of course, no longer needed.
When talking about access points (APs) with Power over Ethernet (PoE), the utility room should also be considered. Either a suitable switch with PoE must be installed, or the required number of injectors with power supplies must be provided.
In my experience, customer service hotlines have plans up to the telephone socket or up to the ONT, but beyond that it becomes very sparse.
Edit: Perhaps it was different with the distribution point in duplex houses in the past, but back then there were also double connections, sometimes even for neighboring houses located on opposite sides of the street.
With fiber optic, up to the distribution point it's the same, only that the device is called an ONT. The telephone socket is then, of course, no longer needed.
When talking about access points (APs) with Power over Ethernet (PoE), the utility room should also be considered. Either a suitable switch with PoE must be installed, or the required number of injectors with power supplies must be provided.
In my experience, customer service hotlines have plans up to the telephone socket or up to the ONT, but beyond that it becomes very sparse.
Edit: Perhaps it was different with the distribution point in duplex houses in the past, but back then there were also double connections, sometimes even for neighboring houses located on opposite sides of the street.
K1300S schrieb:
No, the main connection point (APL) is installed separately in each half. It would be different in a semi-detached house, but that’s not the case here. [...] Edit: In the past, the APL setup in semi-detached houses might have been different, but back then there were also dual connections, sometimes even for neighboring houses on opposite sides of the street. I’m familiar with the APL – but, as I said, that only applies to the phasing-out copper network era – until the very end, where terraced and semi-detached houses were served just once. However, in the fiber optic era, regulatory changes are already starting to bring a new landscape.
K1300S schrieb:
From my experience, the builder support hotlines provide plans up to the telecommunications outlet (TAE) / up to the optical network terminal (ONT), beyond which information is very limited. That is understandable, as builder support hotlines are not responsible for planning advice regarding the hiring of electricians, but only handle the network level that defines the interface at the APL / house connection point (HÜP) / ONT where the line technology meets the home network. In other words, their task is not comprehensive customer guidance as the builder, but support for the builder as the client commissioning the house connection.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Similar topics