Topic: Electrical wiring—specifically the control of ceiling spotlights. We have the following situation:
We have an open-plan living/dining area with a kitchen of about 80 m² (860 ft²). This means we have several zones of ceiling spotlights. The living area, dining area, and kitchen are the main zones. For example, in the living area, we have divided the ceiling spotlights into two separate zones (this is due to the ceiling construction resulting from converting a barn into living space).
I will explain this using the example of the two zones of ceiling spotlights in the living area. These two zones should be controllable separately; for this, we have planned double rocker switches. By the way, all the ceiling spotlights should be dimmable. This one double rocker switch for the living area is located in three places within the large room. Now, we don’t want a dimmable double rocker switch but rather a dimmable double push-button switch. For this, ELTAKO units could have been installed in the distribution board (as far as I understand, being a layperson). We did not do this. Now there are surface-mounted ELTAKO units. The problem is that one would fit into a standard surface-mounted box, but according to the electrician, two would not. Can someone help us solve this problem? I hope I have explained this clearly enough. If not, please feel free to ask questions.
We have an open-plan living/dining area with a kitchen of about 80 m² (860 ft²). This means we have several zones of ceiling spotlights. The living area, dining area, and kitchen are the main zones. For example, in the living area, we have divided the ceiling spotlights into two separate zones (this is due to the ceiling construction resulting from converting a barn into living space).
I will explain this using the example of the two zones of ceiling spotlights in the living area. These two zones should be controllable separately; for this, we have planned double rocker switches. By the way, all the ceiling spotlights should be dimmable. This one double rocker switch for the living area is located in three places within the large room. Now, we don’t want a dimmable double rocker switch but rather a dimmable double push-button switch. For this, ELTAKO units could have been installed in the distribution board (as far as I understand, being a layperson). We did not do this. Now there are surface-mounted ELTAKO units. The problem is that one would fit into a standard surface-mounted box, but according to the electrician, two would not. Can someone help us solve this problem? I hope I have explained this clearly enough. If not, please feel free to ask questions.
Mycraft schrieb:
No matter how you look at it, if you want to control multiple push-buttons, you need a central point from which the dimming is managed.
From that perspective, the dimmer should be installed directly before the spotlights, where the control cables converge. It should not be placed in the flush-mounted boxes behind the push-buttons.Just to clarify for me as a layperson: For each circuit, or in this case for each group of ceiling spotlights that we want to control individually, there is a cable running above the ceiling. So, the dimmer should be installed there, and then push-buttons can be used? What is the difference if it is installed directly in the flush-mounted box?
wilsumer schrieb:
Now we don’t want a dimmable double rocker switch, but a dimmable double push button. Since the previously mentioned suggestions are not feasible:
Add another flush-mounted box to install the double push button as two separate switches, each with its own flush-mounted dimmer?
Note, some universal flush-mounted LED dimmers (e.g., from Gira) require an additional neutral conductor (usually blue) for certain LED lights.
Or:
Install an extension onto the main electrical panel to accommodate the Eltakos inside the fully utilized panel?
Thank you for the suggestions. Unfortunately, adding an extension is not possible due to space constraints. Also, the electrician mentioned that 5 cores are needed, but we have only installed 3. It is too late to add another flush-mounted box, and it wouldn’t be a good option anyway since we already have two 5-gang rows side by side in that spot, which would be quite a lot. But thanks for the ideas.
There should still be some possible solution.
There should still be some possible solution.
Thank you very much! I have forwarded this accordingly.
Does "behind the switch" mean that these can also be installed up in the attic, directly in front of the lights? Because there is no space for two push dimmers in the junction box.
Or is there a flush-mounted double push dimmer?
Does "behind the switch" mean that these can also be installed up in the attic, directly in front of the lights? Because there is no space for two push dimmers in the junction box.
Or is there a flush-mounted double push dimmer?
This means that all push buttons used to dim a lighting circuit are connected in parallel, and the push button output is linked to the input of the push dimmer.
Typically, the push dimmer is installed separately and not squeezed into the flush-mounted boxes, but is instead located either in the ceiling void, the distribution board, or elsewhere.
The dimmer is wired to have its own separate 230V power supply.
Typically, the push dimmer is installed separately and not squeezed into the flush-mounted boxes, but is instead located either in the ceiling void, the distribution board, or elsewhere.
The dimmer is wired to have its own separate 230V power supply.
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