After having approached the topic the wrong way in the last thread, here is another attempt. First, our requirements:
Overall Requirements
The entire project must be completed within a budget of 280,000 euros. The finished product must be a move-in ready house including driveway, carport, lawn, and a hedge around the property.
Requirements for All Rooms
Every room must have a window.
Requirements for Children’s Rooms
The children’s rooms must be at least 10 m² (108 sq ft) in size.
The children’s rooms should preferably be square-shaped.
There must be three children’s rooms included.
Preferably, there should be four children’s rooms included.
Requirements for Kitchen, Dining, and Living Rooms
The kitchen must have at least one wall without a door measuring 230 cm (7 ft 7 in) and an adjacent wall without a door measuring 310 cm (10 ft 2 in).
The floor plan should include an open-plan kitchen-living area.
The kitchen and dining room can be in direct view of each other.
The living room should not be visible from the kitchen but should be visible from the dining room.
(An ideal solution would be an L-shape layout with the kitchen at one end and the living room at the other.)
Requirements for the (Master) Bedroom
The bedroom must be able to accommodate a wardrobe 200 cm (6 ft 7 in) wide and a bed 180 cm (6 ft) wide.
The bedroom may have space for a nightstand on each side of the bed.
Requirements for Bathrooms
There must be two bathrooms, both equipped with toilets.
One bathroom must include a bathtub.
Pantry / Storage Room
The home must provide at least 4 m² (43 sq ft) of storage space.
Utility Room
The utility room must have space for a washing machine and a dryer.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size
Approximately 300 m² (0.07 acres)
Slope
No
Floor area ratio (FAR)
0.4
Gross floor area ratio
0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Two
Roof shape
Architectural style
Orientation
15° roof direction
Maximum heights / limits
FH 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in); TH 6.5 m (21 ft 4 in)
Other specifications
Homeowner requirements
Building type
Solid construction house, bungalow
Basement, storeys
Only one ground floor level
Number of occupants, age
Two adults and one preschool child, with tendency to increase
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Office: family use or home office?
Family use or not necessary
Number of overnight guests per year
About 40
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern building style
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Open-plan kitchen-living area
Number of dining seats
3+
Fireplace
Yes, mine
Music / stereo wall
No, but a 5+1 surround sound system with a 280 x 158 cm (110 x 62 in) screen should be planned.
Balcony, roof terrace
No
Garage, carport
Carport and bicycle shed
Utility garden, greenhouse
No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also with reasons
If possible, barrier-free design so the house can serve as a residence for old age
General House Design
Who designed it
Planner from a construction company
Personal price limit for house, including fittings
280,000 €
Preferred heating technology
Gas heating
Specific House Designs
Design number 1 - Park 140 W
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
What do you not like? Why?
Quite a few doors on the left side of the plan, making that area feel busy.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
163,400 €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 2 - Bungalow 123
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and daylight.
Guest toilet is easily accessible from the center.
Two showers.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 3 - Bungalow 119
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
Guest toilet is easily accessible.
Two showers.
A terrace in the bottom right of the plan has abundant sunlight during the day.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Overall Requirements
The entire project must be completed within a budget of 280,000 euros. The finished product must be a move-in ready house including driveway, carport, lawn, and a hedge around the property.
Requirements for All Rooms
Every room must have a window.
Requirements for Children’s Rooms
The children’s rooms must be at least 10 m² (108 sq ft) in size.
The children’s rooms should preferably be square-shaped.
There must be three children’s rooms included.
Preferably, there should be four children’s rooms included.
Requirements for Kitchen, Dining, and Living Rooms
The kitchen must have at least one wall without a door measuring 230 cm (7 ft 7 in) and an adjacent wall without a door measuring 310 cm (10 ft 2 in).
The floor plan should include an open-plan kitchen-living area.
The kitchen and dining room can be in direct view of each other.
The living room should not be visible from the kitchen but should be visible from the dining room.
(An ideal solution would be an L-shape layout with the kitchen at one end and the living room at the other.)
Requirements for the (Master) Bedroom
The bedroom must be able to accommodate a wardrobe 200 cm (6 ft 7 in) wide and a bed 180 cm (6 ft) wide.
The bedroom may have space for a nightstand on each side of the bed.
Requirements for Bathrooms
There must be two bathrooms, both equipped with toilets.
One bathroom must include a bathtub.
Pantry / Storage Room
The home must provide at least 4 m² (43 sq ft) of storage space.
Utility Room
The utility room must have space for a washing machine and a dryer.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size
Approximately 300 m² (0.07 acres)
Slope
No
Floor area ratio (FAR)
0.4
Gross floor area ratio
0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Two
Roof shape
Architectural style
Orientation
15° roof direction
Maximum heights / limits
FH 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in); TH 6.5 m (21 ft 4 in)
Other specifications
Homeowner requirements
Building type
Solid construction house, bungalow
Basement, storeys
Only one ground floor level
Number of occupants, age
Two adults and one preschool child, with tendency to increase
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Office: family use or home office?
Family use or not necessary
Number of overnight guests per year
About 40
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern building style
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Open-plan kitchen-living area
Number of dining seats
3+
Fireplace
Yes, mine
Music / stereo wall
No, but a 5+1 surround sound system with a 280 x 158 cm (110 x 62 in) screen should be planned.
Balcony, roof terrace
No
Garage, carport
Carport and bicycle shed
Utility garden, greenhouse
No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also with reasons
If possible, barrier-free design so the house can serve as a residence for old age
General House Design
Who designed it
Planner from a construction company
Personal price limit for house, including fittings
280,000 €
Preferred heating technology
Gas heating
Specific House Designs
Design number 1 - Park 140 W
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
What do you not like? Why?
Quite a few doors on the left side of the plan, making that area feel busy.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
163,400 €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 2 - Bungalow 123
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and daylight.
Guest toilet is easily accessible from the center.
Two showers.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
Specific House Designs
Design number 3 - Bungalow 119
What do you particularly like? Why?
Central living area where family life happens. Kitchen, dining, and living rooms are ideally arranged in an L-shape.
Windows in every room for good ventilation and natural light.
Five equally sized rooms that can be used flexibly.
Guest toilet is easily accessible.
Two showers.
A terrace in the bottom right of the plan has abundant sunlight during the day.
What do you not like? Why?
The large bathroom is only accessible through the master bedroom.
Only three children’s rooms.
The children’s rooms vary in size.
Estimated cost according to architect/planner
xxx €
Which details / expansions can you do without?
The master bedroom is too large.
Which details / expansions are absolutely necessary?
Why does the design look the way it does now?
Standard design from the planner
kbt09 schrieb:
Somewhere there was also mention of about 40 overnight guests per year.
And the last examples didn’t exactly have large utility or mechanical rooms. They offer hardly any storage space; even fitting a washer and dryer can be challenging.I remember.
In those cases, the houses don’t match the desired home, only the catalog price fits the target budget because the house and the budget don’t align.
However, the actual house price outside the catalog is unknown.
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hemali20034 Dec 2017 10:31I think the budget is manageable. But you need to be aware that there won’t be any extras included. I wouldn’t necessarily expect a double carport in that range...
I’ve learned that our expectations are rather modest (though we don’t feel like we’re missing out). Many people easily add 100,000 euros for features that weren’t important to us but seem essential to them.
At the beginning, it’s really hard to get an overview of the options and additional costs you can encounter during the house build. I planned a generous buffer, and even so, my estimates were often below the actual prices quoted. A layperson just doesn’t have a feel for the pricing structure.
And "we’ll do it later" often proves difficult, since under the burden of a mortgage and with a regular salary, you can’t just free up 15,000 euros easily.
I’ve learned that our expectations are rather modest (though we don’t feel like we’re missing out). Many people easily add 100,000 euros for features that weren’t important to us but seem essential to them.
At the beginning, it’s really hard to get an overview of the options and additional costs you can encounter during the house build. I planned a generous buffer, and even so, my estimates were often below the actual prices quoted. A layperson just doesn’t have a feel for the pricing structure.
And "we’ll do it later" often proves difficult, since under the burden of a mortgage and with a regular salary, you can’t just free up 15,000 euros easily.
Of course, building affordably is possible.
For those who can do the math:
A 120m² (1,292 sq ft) house (2 children’s rooms, 1 guest room, 1 master bedroom) can also cost 180,000.
A 109m² (1,174 sq ft) house (without a guest room) can cost 165,000.
But the original poster (OP) wants a 6-bedroom house.
And chooses a budget option, where not everything is included, even if it appears that way at first glance.
When a @Nordlys tells me that they have estimated all costs and only need to pay so much for x, y, and z, you can assume that they have planned for costs x, y, and z.
However, if the OP refers to additional building costs that were valid in the simplest rural areas 4 years ago, and also quotes a house price that comes from an internet/postcode-based estimate, then it is clear that costs x, y, and z have not been calculated at all.
All these numbers are available here in the forum; you just have to look.
For those who can do the math:
A 120m² (1,292 sq ft) house (2 children’s rooms, 1 guest room, 1 master bedroom) can also cost 180,000.
A 109m² (1,174 sq ft) house (without a guest room) can cost 165,000.
But the original poster (OP) wants a 6-bedroom house.
And chooses a budget option, where not everything is included, even if it appears that way at first glance.
When a @Nordlys tells me that they have estimated all costs and only need to pay so much for x, y, and z, you can assume that they have planned for costs x, y, and z.
However, if the OP refers to additional building costs that were valid in the simplest rural areas 4 years ago, and also quotes a house price that comes from an internet/postcode-based estimate, then it is clear that costs x, y, and z have not been calculated at all.
All these numbers are available here in the forum; you just have to look.
ypg schrieb:
Captain’s dormer. That all costs extra. That is actually included in the price.
ypg schrieb:
sometimes it’s a bungalow They are out since I learned what the floor area ratio means and that building a bungalow is more expensive.
ypg schrieb:
then a townhouse That is also out due to the higher price.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
Somehow I see at least a 3, maybe even a 4 in front of the room count including the plot. We could still manage a 3-bedroom, but a 4 would definitely be too much.
ypg schrieb:
But the OP wants a 6! bedroom house. Actually, it was supposed to be just 5.
ypg schrieb:
plus the price of a house, as spit out by the internet/postal code system The figures from Town & Country were an offer directly from the planner.