ᐅ Suggestions for the floor plan of a single-family house, approximately 175 sqm, with a pitched roof
Created on: 4 Nov 2022 22:51
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epinephrin
I’m venturing into this part of the forum to share our floor plan for discussion. I’m hoping for constructive feedback and ideas in case improvements would be advisable.
We want a bright house of about 160-170 sqm (1700-1830 sq ft). We would prefer an open staircase design, but it should not interfere with the floor plan. The flat roof dormer is more than just a nice-to-have... 🙂
Overall, we like the current floor plan very much, but since we are building novices, we would like to go over it with you experts to identify any possible issues. As we haven’t signed the contract with the general contractor yet, there are unfortunately no detailed dimensions available. The furnishing in the kitchen, bathroom, and living area is not yet fixed, so please don’t focus too much on those!
Orientation: the street and entrance are on the north side, terrace faces southwest.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 854 sqm (9190 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 3 m (10 ft) from plot boundary
Edge development: garage approx. 1 m (3 ft) northeast
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: max. 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof 30-45°, hipped roof 25-35°, shed roof, flat roof possible
Style: modern
Orientation: southwest
Maximum height/building limits: ridge height 8.50 m (28 ft)
Additional requirements: driveway max. 4 m (13 ft) wide
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: modern gable roof house (without eaves)
Basement, floors: no basement; 1.5 or 2 storeys; cold roof
Number of people, ages: 4 people (42, 41, 8, 5)
Room requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living, office, shower/WC, utility room; upper floor: sleeping, dressing room, 2 children’s rooms, bathroom, reading corner
Office: used for family or home office? 1 home office
Number of overnight guests per year: max 2
Open or closed architecture: open and bright
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open (but no direct view to living area), kitchen island if possible
Number of dining seats: 6 (preferably extendable to at least 8)
Fireplace: bioethanol / water vapor fireplace
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no, but projecting bay window on upper floor
Garage, carport: garage or carport (6x9 m (20x30 ft) – position and storage room next to or behind garage not fixed yet – orientation on plot either lengthwise or widthwise)
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons for decisions:
House design
Origin of the design: original floor plan from Gussek House “Zypressenallee,” adapted to our needs and wishes by a general contractor’s planner
What do you like most and why? We like the layout and orientation of the ground floor, with sightlines from the entrance area
What do you like least and why? Uncertainty whether the kitchen is too tight; arrangement options for living room (sofa, piano!, bioethanol fireplace?) – possibly remove the middle square window in the living area on the ground floor in favor of more space for furniture?
Price estimate from architect/planner: 600,000 EUR (including garage, additional construction costs)
Personal price limit for house including equipment: 600,000 EUR
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up on certain details or extras:
- Can give up: staircase, 10 sqm (110 sq ft) of living space
- Cannot give up: bay window on upper floor (I just really like this nesting box)
Why is the design as it is now? For example:
The desire for a bay window with reading window and open architecture was implemented, combining examples from various magazines...
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
see above
We want a bright house of about 160-170 sqm (1700-1830 sq ft). We would prefer an open staircase design, but it should not interfere with the floor plan. The flat roof dormer is more than just a nice-to-have... 🙂
Overall, we like the current floor plan very much, but since we are building novices, we would like to go over it with you experts to identify any possible issues. As we haven’t signed the contract with the general contractor yet, there are unfortunately no detailed dimensions available. The furnishing in the kitchen, bathroom, and living area is not yet fixed, so please don’t focus too much on those!
Orientation: the street and entrance are on the north side, terrace faces southwest.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 854 sqm (9190 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 3 m (10 ft) from plot boundary
Edge development: garage approx. 1 m (3 ft) northeast
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: max. 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof 30-45°, hipped roof 25-35°, shed roof, flat roof possible
Style: modern
Orientation: southwest
Maximum height/building limits: ridge height 8.50 m (28 ft)
Additional requirements: driveway max. 4 m (13 ft) wide
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: modern gable roof house (without eaves)
Basement, floors: no basement; 1.5 or 2 storeys; cold roof
Number of people, ages: 4 people (42, 41, 8, 5)
Room requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living, office, shower/WC, utility room; upper floor: sleeping, dressing room, 2 children’s rooms, bathroom, reading corner
Office: used for family or home office? 1 home office
Number of overnight guests per year: max 2
Open or closed architecture: open and bright
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open (but no direct view to living area), kitchen island if possible
Number of dining seats: 6 (preferably extendable to at least 8)
Fireplace: bioethanol / water vapor fireplace
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no, but projecting bay window on upper floor
Garage, carport: garage or carport (6x9 m (20x30 ft) – position and storage room next to or behind garage not fixed yet – orientation on plot either lengthwise or widthwise)
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons for decisions:
- Seating window on upper floor (bay window) – to hopefully bring plenty of light into the hallway and provide a nice view
- Open staircase (straight or with landing, no preference)
- Kitchen without direct line of sight from living area
- Office preferably with garden access
House design
Origin of the design: original floor plan from Gussek House “Zypressenallee,” adapted to our needs and wishes by a general contractor’s planner
What do you like most and why? We like the layout and orientation of the ground floor, with sightlines from the entrance area
What do you like least and why? Uncertainty whether the kitchen is too tight; arrangement options for living room (sofa, piano!, bioethanol fireplace?) – possibly remove the middle square window in the living area on the ground floor in favor of more space for furniture?
Price estimate from architect/planner: 600,000 EUR (including garage, additional construction costs)
Personal price limit for house including equipment: 600,000 EUR
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up on certain details or extras:
- Can give up: staircase, 10 sqm (110 sq ft) of living space
- Cannot give up: bay window on upper floor (I just really like this nesting box)
Why is the design as it is now? For example:
The desire for a bay window with reading window and open architecture was implemented, combining examples from various magazines...
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
see above
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epinephrin19 Feb 2023 17:1911ant schrieb:
What do you want? – I warn against ANY staircase of the "sculpture" type in a general contractor (GC) project! GCs are like bakers of gray bread and therefore unsuitable for wedding cakes.I quickly gathered some staircases that we like (Caution! from Pinterest). Which of these would be considered a wedding cake?
11ant schrieb:
I want to emphasize again my hope that this is an independent architect, and explicitly not a draftsman working for the contractor.This is an architect working in his own office, but he is explicitly collaborating with a general contractor. Everything was handled directly with him. So I would not call him a draftsman.
epinephrin schrieb:
I quickly gathered some staircases (caution! from Pinterest) that appeal to us. Which of these would be like the "wedding cake"? All of them, even the second one. The third is probably the most discreet form of a design that is compatible with a general contractor.
epinephrin schrieb:
This involves an architect in his architectural office who explicitly works together with a general contractor. Everything was handled directly with him. So I wouldn’t call him just a draftsman. That’s good, but in my opinion, it hasn’t yet become clearly apparent in the creative process.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
epinephrin schrieb:
@ypg or @K a t j a and all those who can think in terms of floor plans... : could there be a staircase option that, with the current exterior dimensions, would make things easier without completely disrupting the layout of the entire ground floor?
Sorry, but my enthusiasm is turning into the opposite right now. You had a budget and a plan. Because of the budget, you had to downsize significantly but you are not willing to give up anything. As you can see, it doesn’t work that way in house building.The architect’s floor plan isn’t completely wrong regarding your wishes, but it doesn’t offer much flexibility. Too many unnecessary details obscure the focus on what’s essential and reduce your living space. Yes, you can sit on a 2m (6.5 ft) sofa, eat at a table 80cm (31.5 inches) deep, and use a bathroom without a window. But all that just for a dormer that, after three years, no one will use because it’s simply boring?
Of course, no one wants to talk anyone out of their dream home. But seeing your staircase selection again—only the finest. Honestly: I’m afraid you have to scale back your expectations, or financially this will go badly.
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epinephrin19 Feb 2023 19:18Thank you for the honest opinion, @K a t j a.
For us, it has only been a few weeks/months that we have been dealing with house building and floor plans for the first time in our lives. Neither of us comes from this industry at all. I have already tried to take advice, discarded some wishes, and started planning from scratch. So it’s not easy for me to hear the accusation that we are unwilling to make any changes... If I had been allowed to share the plans, which were not developed in just a few days, earlier, I certainly would have done so. Maybe things would have gone in a different direction sooner. Unfortunately, that was not possible. I was somewhat relieved during the process that the architect ultimately chose a similar option to the one yvonne once suggested. It may have given me a bit of a false sense of security. Now it might not fit so well with the smaller dimensions after all.
The staircase is similar – it may be that some here can better estimate the price range than we can. If it does not fit within our staircase budget, we will have to choose a different one. But for us, all of this is a learning process that others have already gone through once or multiple times.
For us, it has only been a few weeks/months that we have been dealing with house building and floor plans for the first time in our lives. Neither of us comes from this industry at all. I have already tried to take advice, discarded some wishes, and started planning from scratch. So it’s not easy for me to hear the accusation that we are unwilling to make any changes... If I had been allowed to share the plans, which were not developed in just a few days, earlier, I certainly would have done so. Maybe things would have gone in a different direction sooner. Unfortunately, that was not possible. I was somewhat relieved during the process that the architect ultimately chose a similar option to the one yvonne once suggested. It may have given me a bit of a false sense of security. Now it might not fit so well with the smaller dimensions after all.
The staircase is similar – it may be that some here can better estimate the price range than we can. If it does not fit within our staircase budget, we will have to choose a different one. But for us, all of this is a learning process that others have already gone through once or multiple times.
epinephrin schrieb:
For us, it’s the first time in our lives, over the past few weeks/months, that we’re dealing with house construction and floor plans. Neither of us comes from this industry at all. [...] The same goes for the staircase – maybe some here can estimate the costs better than we can. If it doesn’t fit in our staircase budget, we’ll have to choose a different one. But for us, all of this is a learning process that others have already gone through once or multiple times. That the more expensive dishes are listed at the bottom of the menu shouldn’t require any relevant experience or special knowledge. The more fragile threads and magic powers a staircase depends on, the more expensive it becomes – and that usually increases by a multiple rather than just a percentage.
epinephrin schrieb:
I have already tried to take advice, discarded some wishes, and started the planning from scratch. Yes, and you can be proud when you look back from your current status to the start of the thread. Pat yourself on the back for that, even in front of the mirror if you like. Take a moment to enjoy it. Then take a deep breath and move forward:
Simply giving up the pillar-free corner window, pushing the dining area forward under the bay window, extending the roof over the bay instead of raising it, and my suggestion to pay for the front door and garage door instead of the lift-and-slide door – all these things add up. Square meters alone are a rather blunt cost-cutting tool. So nobody needs to fear disappearing into zero point fifteen zero nine. As an example of a model-worthy, attractive result of an apparently modest building shape, I can recommend the house by @daniels87 https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/finaler-grundrissplan-einfamilienhaus-7-99x11-11m.14520/ again and again. Also, you can learn a lot from @Alessandro that doesn’t necessarily require windfalls from your great-aunt. In the threads of @Climbee and @Steffi33, you’ll find more inspiration. Affordable can be stylish too.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Most people only build once in their lifetime. So you are in good company.
What is your budget for the staircase? What you are showing will probably cost around 11 or 12K, maybe even more. Unfortunately, I haven’t been following staircase price developments very closely.
What do I want to say? Yes, everyone here understands that when building a house, you want to realize your dreams. However, building a house can quickly turn into a nightmare if you lose sight of the essentials. First, the minimum requirements should be met so that living in the new house works well. After that, you can see what extras might be possible.
What is your budget for the staircase? What you are showing will probably cost around 11 or 12K, maybe even more. Unfortunately, I haven’t been following staircase price developments very closely.
What do I want to say? Yes, everyone here understands that when building a house, you want to realize your dreams. However, building a house can quickly turn into a nightmare if you lose sight of the essentials. First, the minimum requirements should be met so that living in the new house works well. After that, you can see what extras might be possible.
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