Hello everyone,
now the post in the right place...
We are already in the planning phase and have had several appointments.
However, it seems like they don’t really want to listen to what we want...
I gave specific requirements, but then we receive floor plans that don’t match those.
I have also looked at dozens of floor plans online, but they are either too large (budget) or don’t fit the orientation...
Here is our information:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 625m² (6729 sq ft)
Slope: approx. 2m (6.5 ft) over the length
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: none specified
Building setback lines: 3m (10 ft) from neighboring properties
Edge building: with utility building (garage)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: none specified
Roof style: none specified
Architectural style: none specified
Orientation: southeast
Maximum height / limits: with roof pitch 0 – 27° (0 – 27°): eave height max. 6.0m (20 ft), ridge height max. 8.5m (28 ft)
No neighbor to the south! Nature reserve
Builder requirements
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: basement plus two full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 3 (35, 25, baby soon born)
Space needed on ground floor and upper floor: from 70m² (750 sq ft)
Office: family use --> guest room with double bed and wardrobe (health-related precaution)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: the TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace: not needed
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: garden
Other:
- Front door with side panel
- Staircase not directly at the front door
- Shower bathroom on ground floor
- Cloakroom (to avoid dozens of shoes and coats in the hallway)
- No “corridor-like hallway” (we currently have that in the apartment... dark and very narrow for two people), should feel open
- Walk-in closet on upper floor
- Master bedroom not next to children’s room
- Kitchen wish from wife: U-shape, front part as counter
- Pantry not necessary
- Small utility room on ground floor would be good
- Entrance via garage would be good
- Open to staircase style
- Garage should be on the northeast side
House design
Who made the plans:
- 2x planners from construction company
- 1x architect
What don’t we like? Why? Does not fit our requirements we gave...
Price estimate according to architect/planners: 350,000 - 408,000
Personal price limit for house including flooring and walls: 380,000
Preferred heating system: district heating - underfloor heating
If you had to give up something, on which details or expansions?
- can give up: fireplace (might be installed later)
- cannot give up: shower bathroom and guest room on ground floor
Why does the current design look the way it does?
I assume it’s a standard design from the planner
Which of our wishes were implemented by the architect?
Not really
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
About the floor plans:
Ground floor from architect: laundry room upstairs despite info about basement; kitchen in wrong place according to orientation; cloakroom forgotten.
Ground floor version 1 by developer: all requirements forgotten, tiny front door, tiny hallway, utility room, looks uninspired (this is the second draft!)
Ground floor version 2 by developer: garage (in my opinion) on wrong side, bad sun orientation, also looks bleak...
I believe the kitchen should be on the sunny side in the middle of the house and the living/dining area to the left, like an L layout... This way you would fully benefit from the sun, right? With a large window wall on the northern corner of the house then...
When I try to draw it myself, it doesn’t look very good due to my lack of drawing skills...
Unfortunately, it’s also bleak and boring :-(
You should be happy to come @Home for several years, right?
I somehow lack a spark of inspiration here,...
Maybe some of you can give us tips to make it more dynamic.
Your ideas are surely better than mine
Thanks
PS: Hope I forgot nothing
now the post in the right place...
We are already in the planning phase and have had several appointments.
However, it seems like they don’t really want to listen to what we want...
I gave specific requirements, but then we receive floor plans that don’t match those.
I have also looked at dozens of floor plans online, but they are either too large (budget) or don’t fit the orientation...
Here is our information:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 625m² (6729 sq ft)
Slope: approx. 2m (6.5 ft) over the length
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: none specified
Building setback lines: 3m (10 ft) from neighboring properties
Edge building: with utility building (garage)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: none specified
Roof style: none specified
Architectural style: none specified
Orientation: southeast
Maximum height / limits: with roof pitch 0 – 27° (0 – 27°): eave height max. 6.0m (20 ft), ridge height max. 8.5m (28 ft)
No neighbor to the south! Nature reserve
Builder requirements
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: basement plus two full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 3 (35, 25, baby soon born)
Space needed on ground floor and upper floor: from 70m² (750 sq ft)
Office: family use --> guest room with double bed and wardrobe (health-related precaution)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: the TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace: not needed
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: garden
Other:
- Front door with side panel
- Staircase not directly at the front door
- Shower bathroom on ground floor
- Cloakroom (to avoid dozens of shoes and coats in the hallway)
- No “corridor-like hallway” (we currently have that in the apartment... dark and very narrow for two people), should feel open
- Walk-in closet on upper floor
- Master bedroom not next to children’s room
- Kitchen wish from wife: U-shape, front part as counter
- Pantry not necessary
- Small utility room on ground floor would be good
- Entrance via garage would be good
- Open to staircase style
- Garage should be on the northeast side
House design
Who made the plans:
- 2x planners from construction company
- 1x architect
What don’t we like? Why? Does not fit our requirements we gave...
Price estimate according to architect/planners: 350,000 - 408,000
Personal price limit for house including flooring and walls: 380,000
Preferred heating system: district heating - underfloor heating
If you had to give up something, on which details or expansions?
- can give up: fireplace (might be installed later)
- cannot give up: shower bathroom and guest room on ground floor
Why does the current design look the way it does?
I assume it’s a standard design from the planner
Which of our wishes were implemented by the architect?
Not really
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
About the floor plans:
Ground floor from architect: laundry room upstairs despite info about basement; kitchen in wrong place according to orientation; cloakroom forgotten.
Ground floor version 1 by developer: all requirements forgotten, tiny front door, tiny hallway, utility room, looks uninspired (this is the second draft!)
Ground floor version 2 by developer: garage (in my opinion) on wrong side, bad sun orientation, also looks bleak...
I believe the kitchen should be on the sunny side in the middle of the house and the living/dining area to the left, like an L layout... This way you would fully benefit from the sun, right? With a large window wall on the northern corner of the house then...
When I try to draw it myself, it doesn’t look very good due to my lack of drawing skills...
Unfortunately, it’s also bleak and boring :-(
You should be happy to come @Home for several years, right?
I somehow lack a spark of inspiration here,...
Maybe some of you can give us tips to make it more dynamic.
Your ideas are surely better than mine
Thanks
PS: Hope I forgot nothing
Zaba12 schrieb:
This is our initial draft, hand-drawn by the architect. Old school, no CAD involved. Everything we didn’t like was changed. That means the pantry door, guest bathroom, guest room, no light well, etc. The living area is 138 sqm (1,488 sq ft) plus basement, and with the hillside surcharge and outdoor areas, basically just structural shell groups 300, 400 & 500, the cost is around 370,000€ (excluding land, site preparation, and utility connections, as well as finishes including sanitary fixtures, and additional building costs according to DIN 276). So quite a lot is still missing. A good estimate is that another 50,000 to 60,000€ will be added to the 370,000€.What do you mean by "groups 300, 400 & 500"??? You’re building ground floor plus upper floor,... and that’s why the 138 sqm (1,488 sq ft)? I already count 83 sqm (893 sq ft) on the ground floor alone (without stairs)...
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toxicmolotof18 Mar 2018 23:18An 80-90 m² (860-970 sq ft) usable basement for an additional cost of 25k? Definitely worth it. Can you bring me one like that?
You can see why some people here are understandably a bit skeptical. If you have a basement, you don’t really need an attic anymore, that should be clear. But then you need to plan for an enclosed basement staircase, and whether that looks good in the living/dining/kitchen area is a matter of taste. But those are probably details for later.
I don’t think the upper floor is that bad either, although I do see some wasted space in the bathroom. Altering the area around the stairs is always like open-heart surgery. That can make or break a floor plan.
Putting technical aspects aside, what exactly don’t you like about the floor plan? It’s not that bad, in my opinion. I think it definitely has potential. But it seems like you’re not that fond of it.
You can see why some people here are understandably a bit skeptical. If you have a basement, you don’t really need an attic anymore, that should be clear. But then you need to plan for an enclosed basement staircase, and whether that looks good in the living/dining/kitchen area is a matter of taste. But those are probably details for later.
I don’t think the upper floor is that bad either, although I do see some wasted space in the bathroom. Altering the area around the stairs is always like open-heart surgery. That can make or break a floor plan.
Putting technical aspects aside, what exactly don’t you like about the floor plan? It’s not that bad, in my opinion. I think it definitely has potential. But it seems like you’re not that fond of it.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
An 80-90sqm (860-970 sq ft) usable basement for an extra 25k? Do it, right away. Can you bring me one? You misunderstood me.
Starting at 25k€ and no specific area... Of course, the basement costs more (60k), but you get more space and no thick concrete slab on the north/west side of the house.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
Putting the technical aspects aside, what exactly don’t you like about the floor plan? It’s not that bad. I think it actually has potential. But it seems you guys don’t really like it. It’s okay as it is, but if I swap the kitchen and living room, the space doesn’t really work out...
Do you see wasted space in the upstairs bathroom? Where exactly?
Currently, the shower is above the hallway to the utility room...
That one is gone in the floor plan you adjusted.
Thanks for your effort!!!
PS: I think we’ll have to do a lot ourselves to keep the price down.
One more question in between... (this is quite a controversial topic)
Thinner masonry with insulation? Or 42cm (17 inches) masonry without insulation???
Currently, I’m leaning towards planning without insulation...
And the KfW funding hardly pays off these days anymore (especially difficult with a lot of DIY work).
Thinner masonry with insulation? Or 42cm (17 inches) masonry without insulation???
Currently, I’m leaning towards planning without insulation...
And the KfW funding hardly pays off these days anymore (especially difficult with a lot of DIY work).
Chrisss83 schrieb:
Please take a look at the attachment... Access is not a problem. This is exactly where I see the issue: with at least the two developer designs, you would need a Smart car or a Goggomobil to drive forwards into the garage and then also drive forwards out of the driveway back onto the main street.
Chrisss83 schrieb:
Thinner masonry with insulation? Or 42 cm (16.5 inches) masonry and no insulation??? The search term ETICS (external thermal insulation composite system) should lead you to several forum posts from last year where everything on this topic has already been discussed. Your conclusion is correct: “opinions are divided” – and repeating the question won’t change that. If you want to build monolithically, 36.5 cm (14.4 inches) will probably be enough – after all, you aren’t planning huge window fronts.
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