Hello everyone,
now the post in the right place...
We are already in the planning phase and have had several appointments.
However, it seems like they don’t really want to listen to what we want...
I gave specific requirements, but then we receive floor plans that don’t match those.
I have also looked at dozens of floor plans online, but they are either too large (budget) or don’t fit the orientation...
Here is our information:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 625m² (6729 sq ft)
Slope: approx. 2m (6.5 ft) over the length
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: none specified
Building setback lines: 3m (10 ft) from neighboring properties
Edge building: with utility building (garage)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: none specified
Roof style: none specified
Architectural style: none specified
Orientation: southeast
Maximum height / limits: with roof pitch 0 – 27° (0 – 27°): eave height max. 6.0m (20 ft), ridge height max. 8.5m (28 ft)
No neighbor to the south! Nature reserve
Builder requirements
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: basement plus two full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 3 (35, 25, baby soon born)
Space needed on ground floor and upper floor: from 70m² (750 sq ft)
Office: family use --> guest room with double bed and wardrobe (health-related precaution)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: the TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace: not needed
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: garden
Other:
- Front door with side panel
- Staircase not directly at the front door
- Shower bathroom on ground floor
- Cloakroom (to avoid dozens of shoes and coats in the hallway)
- No “corridor-like hallway” (we currently have that in the apartment... dark and very narrow for two people), should feel open
- Walk-in closet on upper floor
- Master bedroom not next to children’s room
- Kitchen wish from wife: U-shape, front part as counter
- Pantry not necessary
- Small utility room on ground floor would be good
- Entrance via garage would be good
- Open to staircase style
- Garage should be on the northeast side
House design
Who made the plans:
- 2x planners from construction company
- 1x architect
What don’t we like? Why? Does not fit our requirements we gave...
Price estimate according to architect/planners: 350,000 - 408,000
Personal price limit for house including flooring and walls: 380,000
Preferred heating system: district heating - underfloor heating
If you had to give up something, on which details or expansions?
- can give up: fireplace (might be installed later)
- cannot give up: shower bathroom and guest room on ground floor
Why does the current design look the way it does?
I assume it’s a standard design from the planner
Which of our wishes were implemented by the architect?
Not really
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
About the floor plans:
Ground floor from architect: laundry room upstairs despite info about basement; kitchen in wrong place according to orientation; cloakroom forgotten.
Ground floor version 1 by developer: all requirements forgotten, tiny front door, tiny hallway, utility room, looks uninspired (this is the second draft!)
Ground floor version 2 by developer: garage (in my opinion) on wrong side, bad sun orientation, also looks bleak...
I believe the kitchen should be on the sunny side in the middle of the house and the living/dining area to the left, like an L layout... This way you would fully benefit from the sun, right? With a large window wall on the northern corner of the house then...
When I try to draw it myself, it doesn’t look very good due to my lack of drawing skills...
Unfortunately, it’s also bleak and boring :-(
You should be happy to come @Home for several years, right?
I somehow lack a spark of inspiration here,...
Maybe some of you can give us tips to make it more dynamic.
Your ideas are surely better than mine
Thanks
PS: Hope I forgot nothing
now the post in the right place...
We are already in the planning phase and have had several appointments.
However, it seems like they don’t really want to listen to what we want...
I gave specific requirements, but then we receive floor plans that don’t match those.
I have also looked at dozens of floor plans online, but they are either too large (budget) or don’t fit the orientation...
Here is our information:
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 625m² (6729 sq ft)
Slope: approx. 2m (6.5 ft) over the length
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: none specified
Building setback lines: 3m (10 ft) from neighboring properties
Edge building: with utility building (garage)
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: none specified
Roof style: none specified
Architectural style: none specified
Orientation: southeast
Maximum height / limits: with roof pitch 0 – 27° (0 – 27°): eave height max. 6.0m (20 ft), ridge height max. 8.5m (28 ft)
No neighbor to the south! Nature reserve
Builder requirements
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: basement plus two full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 3 (35, 25, baby soon born)
Space needed on ground floor and upper floor: from 70m² (750 sq ft)
Office: family use --> guest room with double bed and wardrobe (health-related precaution)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes, yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: the TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace: not needed
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: garden
Other:
- Front door with side panel
- Staircase not directly at the front door
- Shower bathroom on ground floor
- Cloakroom (to avoid dozens of shoes and coats in the hallway)
- No “corridor-like hallway” (we currently have that in the apartment... dark and very narrow for two people), should feel open
- Walk-in closet on upper floor
- Master bedroom not next to children’s room
- Kitchen wish from wife: U-shape, front part as counter
- Pantry not necessary
- Small utility room on ground floor would be good
- Entrance via garage would be good
- Open to staircase style
- Garage should be on the northeast side
House design
Who made the plans:
- 2x planners from construction company
- 1x architect
What don’t we like? Why? Does not fit our requirements we gave...
Price estimate according to architect/planners: 350,000 - 408,000
Personal price limit for house including flooring and walls: 380,000
Preferred heating system: district heating - underfloor heating
If you had to give up something, on which details or expansions?
- can give up: fireplace (might be installed later)
- cannot give up: shower bathroom and guest room on ground floor
Why does the current design look the way it does?
I assume it’s a standard design from the planner
Which of our wishes were implemented by the architect?
Not really
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
About the floor plans:
Ground floor from architect: laundry room upstairs despite info about basement; kitchen in wrong place according to orientation; cloakroom forgotten.
Ground floor version 1 by developer: all requirements forgotten, tiny front door, tiny hallway, utility room, looks uninspired (this is the second draft!)
Ground floor version 2 by developer: garage (in my opinion) on wrong side, bad sun orientation, also looks bleak...
I believe the kitchen should be on the sunny side in the middle of the house and the living/dining area to the left, like an L layout... This way you would fully benefit from the sun, right? With a large window wall on the northern corner of the house then...
When I try to draw it myself, it doesn’t look very good due to my lack of drawing skills...
Unfortunately, it’s also bleak and boring :-(
You should be happy to come @Home for several years, right?
I somehow lack a spark of inspiration here,...
Maybe some of you can give us tips to make it more dynamic.
Your ideas are surely better than mine
Thanks
PS: Hope I forgot nothing
11ant schrieb:
But reversing into the driveway is also inconvenient :-(
I can already see the planner having to figure out how to make the garage/access situation work for both cars. The house should be aligned according to the plot... So, backing out of the garage towards the house and then onto the street again.
ypg schrieb:
That means approximately 90 sqm (970 sq ft) on the ground floor (spacious, bedroom, shower bathroom, and the usual...), which means 180 sqm (1,940 sq ft) plus basement. Are you aware of that?Wow...... I’m totally stunned :-/
Yes, I would like to know what rooms you plan to include on the upper floor besides the standard 2 children’s bedrooms... The layout program comes first... What you imagine with your basement-equipped city villa is not really what you want.
Write a room layout program for the basement, ground floor, and upper floor, and develop your house accordingly.
Regarding the costs: raising the ground level also means retaining... Is that allowed? Desired?
Maybe two floors are enough... you could get 180–200 square meters (1,940–2,150 square feet).
Write a room layout program for the basement, ground floor, and upper floor, and develop your house accordingly.
Regarding the costs: raising the ground level also means retaining... Is that allowed? Desired?
Maybe two floors are enough... you could get 180–200 square meters (1,940–2,150 square feet).
T
toxicmolotof15 Mar 2018 23:51Preliminary note: If I had to choose, I also prefer the architect's design.
I believe the architect did not place the technical installations without good reason, because you might run out of budget for the house in the end.
You want 2 full floors, an (unconverted, possibly prepared) attic, a basement, all on about 100 sqm (1076 sq ft) of floor area (160 sqm (1722 sq ft) + 80 sqm (861 sq ft) basement), a (solid?) double garage, and your budget is 350,000 EUR? I’m not quite convinced, especially if incidental construction costs are included in that budget. (350,000 – 50,000 = 300,000 => 1250 EUR/sqm (116 USD/sq ft)) ... no chance ... especially not in Baden-Württemberg.
My prediction:
a) The basement will be cut.
b) The garage will be a precast concrete garage or a carport.
Keep in mind that a house without a basement especially requires additional storage space! Garage + 1 meter (3 feet) and the utility room should not be less than 10 or 12 sqm (108 or 129 sq ft). The attic must be accessible by a space-saving staircase (not a folding ladder!) and be within the insulated building envelope!
If any money is left somewhere... see attachment. (Warning, staircase shifted, which ruins the upper floor plan! It only makes sense as a whole. A ground floor without an upper floor is not a ground floor.)
I believe the architect did not place the technical installations without good reason, because you might run out of budget for the house in the end.
You want 2 full floors, an (unconverted, possibly prepared) attic, a basement, all on about 100 sqm (1076 sq ft) of floor area (160 sqm (1722 sq ft) + 80 sqm (861 sq ft) basement), a (solid?) double garage, and your budget is 350,000 EUR? I’m not quite convinced, especially if incidental construction costs are included in that budget. (350,000 – 50,000 = 300,000 => 1250 EUR/sqm (116 USD/sq ft)) ... no chance ... especially not in Baden-Württemberg.
My prediction:
a) The basement will be cut.
b) The garage will be a precast concrete garage or a carport.
Keep in mind that a house without a basement especially requires additional storage space! Garage + 1 meter (3 feet) and the utility room should not be less than 10 or 12 sqm (108 or 129 sq ft). The attic must be accessible by a space-saving staircase (not a folding ladder!) and be within the insulated building envelope!
If any money is left somewhere... see attachment. (Warning, staircase shifted, which ruins the upper floor plan! It only makes sense as a whole. A ground floor without an upper floor is not a ground floor.)
The
@tox your "drawn" floor plan looks quite similar to ours, except we turned the guest room into an additional wardrobe.
Regarding the budget, I also see the basement being cut.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
First of all: If I had to choose, I also think the architect’s design is the best.
I believe the architect did not place the technical installations without a reason, because in the end, the budget will run out before the house is finished.
You want 2 full floors, an (unfinished, possibly prepared) attic, a basement, all on about 100sqm (160sqm + 80sqm basement), a (solid?) double garage, and your budget is 350,000 EUR? I’m not quite seeing that, especially if that budget also includes additional construction costs. (350 - 50 = 300 => 1,250 EUR/sqm) ... no way... especially not in Baden-Württemberg.
I want to predict:
a) The basement will be cut.
b) The garage will be a precast concrete garage or a carport.
Keep in mind that a house without a basement especially needs more storage space!!! Garage +1m and utility room not less than 10 or 12 sqm. Attic accessible by space-saving stairs (not folding stairs!) and within the insulated building envelope!!!
If some money can be found somewhere... see attachment. (Warning, stairs moved, which ruins the upper floor design! Everything only works as a whole. A ground floor without an upper floor is not a proper ground floor.
@tox your "drawn" floor plan looks quite similar to ours, except we turned the guest room into an additional wardrobe.
Regarding the budget, I also see the basement being cut.
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