ᐅ Experiences with Energy Cloud Services versus Feed-in Tariffs?
Created on: 27 Aug 2020 13:00
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Micha8589
Hello dear forum members,
Our house construction plans were significantly disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic, but you have to accept the trade-offs when pursuing something important. The good thing is we had enough time to calculate all the options and actually decided to give up our original plan of a gas boiler plus solar thermal system, as a heat pump combined with solar panels turns out to be more cost-effective over 20 years.
The current plan is:
Solid construction house, 148m2 (Kalksandstein – a type of calcium silicate brick – up to the roof ridge plus facing brick)
Air-source heat pump (Junkers Compress 7400)
Photovoltaic system plus battery storage (no provider chosen yet)
Our builder recently received an offer from Senec that includes a cloud tariff. It sounds great on paper, but both I and our builder are somewhat skeptical and are currently researching and calculating further. Unfortunately, I’ve also found contradictory information online.
Is the cloud system worthwhile, or is the classic system with feed-in tariff better?
What do you think? What are your experiences with electricity cloud systems?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Our house construction plans were significantly disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic, but you have to accept the trade-offs when pursuing something important. The good thing is we had enough time to calculate all the options and actually decided to give up our original plan of a gas boiler plus solar thermal system, as a heat pump combined with solar panels turns out to be more cost-effective over 20 years.
The current plan is:
Solid construction house, 148m2 (Kalksandstein – a type of calcium silicate brick – up to the roof ridge plus facing brick)
Air-source heat pump (Junkers Compress 7400)
Photovoltaic system plus battery storage (no provider chosen yet)
Our builder recently received an offer from Senec that includes a cloud tariff. It sounds great on paper, but both I and our builder are somewhat skeptical and are currently researching and calculating further. Unfortunately, I’ve also found contradictory information online.
Is the cloud system worthwhile, or is the classic system with feed-in tariff better?
What do you think? What are your experiences with electricity cloud systems?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
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HilfeHilfe4 Sep 2020 06:03I would avoid it. I have also done the calculations. With storage, a system is (unfortunately) unreasonable. We have known our pump for 5 years. Since connecting the photovoltaic system, which would be sensible, I would never do it! It’s far too sensitive!
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Micha85894 Sep 2020 08:18HilfeHilfe schrieb:
I would advise against it. I ran the numbers myself. Including storage, the system (unfortunately) just doesn’t make sense. We’ve also had our heat pump for 5 years. Since connecting the photovoltaic system—which would actually be sensible—I would never do it! It’s far too sensitive! As I said, the air source heat pump doesn’t make sense in this case either, since I have significantly higher electricity costs because of the pump. It’s not cost-effective, and I might end up switching back to a gas boiler, which I actually don’t want to do!
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hampshire4 Sep 2020 08:42Pinky0301 schrieb:
It’s frustrating that as an individual you still face obstacles and feel like you have to "game the system."That is not a problem at all. There is a subsidy through the feed-in tariff. This is a financial support because private households with photovoltaic systems are not competitive in the electricity market, and an incentive is needed to encourage the installation of solar panels. A 10 kWp system is more than enough for most houses to achieve an economically viable self-consumption rate. The limits can be debated—in Switzerland, for example, inverter capacity up to 30 kW is allowed with simple procedures and full support. So what. You don’t have to game the system to claim more subsidy funds. I don’t like that way of thinking.
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Piotr19814 Sep 2020 09:40Have you already planned the roof covering? What materials suit the roof? What about the pitch? Do you have a plan for that yet?
@hampshire I don’t want to start a fundamental debate here. I just find it unfortunate that photovoltaic systems are limited by the 10kWp (kilowatt peak) threshold. This limit doesn’t make sense to me, especially when the goal is to move away from fossil fuels. I don’t need feed-in tariffs if I also don’t have to pay the renewable energy surcharge on the electricity I produce and consume myself.
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Piotr19814 Sep 2020 11:13Pinky0301 schrieb:
@hampshire I don’t want to start a fundamental debate here. I just find it unfortunate that photovoltaic systems are limited by the 10kWp (10kW) threshold. This limit doesn’t make sense to me, especially when the goal is to move away from fossil fuels. I don’t need feed-in tariffs if I also didn’t have to pay the renewable energy surcharge for the electricity I generate and consume myself.It is definitely unfortunate and completely incomprehensible. But it is the law and intended by policymakers. As is often the case, those who actually want to do something good end up being penalized and taxed.
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